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Hi Marck,

     On   Saturday,  October  28,  2000  21:44:13  +0100  in
     reference  to "List rules (was: Re: Placing subjects in
     introductions)" you write in response to my comment:

JR>> I believe that rules are *always* open to discussion in a
JR>> courteous & constructive dialogue unless we are living in
JR>> something less than a democracy on this list.

Marck> The list administration is not democratic, nor is it supposed to be.
Marck> Syafril and I maintain the lists physically while Curtis, Wolfgang and
Marck> I monitor it and attempt to keep the peace as well as participating.

     Nor   am   I   suggesting  that  an  administration  is
     democratic;  by  definition, an administration *cannot*
     be  democratic.  Its  apples  &  oranges.  However I am
     suggesting  that  the  list  should  be thought of as a
     democratic  community  which  should  always be able to
     voice  it's  opinions & ask questions on any subject as
     long as it is "courteous & constructive".

Marck> Rules are the basis of all communities. The ground rules here are
Marck> *not* up for discussion *or* for debate. They have been drawn up very
Marck> carefully by the list moderators to ensure that this list does not
Marck> become an anarchy.

     There  are a good many steps between asking a question,
     making  a  statement  & anarchy. IMO your logic doesn't
     track  because  you leap to your own conclusion without
     supporting  the  argument  but  that's neither here nor
     there.

     My  point  in  responding  here is to say that IMO your
     language  in  msgs  addressed  to  me  was,  & remains,
     un-necessarily  aggressive  for  the circumstances. I'm
     not challenging your administration; I am expressing an
     opinion.

     Its  not  that  rules  shouldn't  be enforced, it's the
     style  in which they are enforced. Things can be stated
     in  many  different  ways & attain the same effect. Its
     just something to consider.

     And  at  the  end  of  the  day,  asking  questions   &
     expressing  opinions can possibly impact a community in
     a  positive  fashion -- administration & all. In recent
     history   we've   seen   communities  that  erupted  in
     revolution & anarchy because they were not permitted to
     ask questions or express themselves publicly.

     As an active member of several lists, as a moderator of
     my own list(s) & as a web master who has to deal with a
     large  number  of  inquiries on a regular basis, I know
     there's  a  lot of work involved in these endeavors & I
     appreciate the work you all do.

     I'm  very  grateful  that  the  TB!  list exists & I've
     enjoyed  the  camaraderie, good nature & support of the
     list. I expect that will continue because of the people
     who participate.

     Wishing you a nice day.

     Sincerely,


Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
Email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel. 203-431-1691
ICQ 41116329

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