I think they will contact you and you’ll be able to update your information on 
line.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barb
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Allen Wright <[email protected]>; SWR Cavers Group 
<[email protected]>; Lee Skinner <[email protected]>; Steve Peerman 
<[email protected]>; Sandia Grotto 
<sandia-grotto-of-the-national-speleological-soci...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

That's so strange because when I called for Don and myself, all they did was 
verify phone and email and mailing address basically. No request for photo or 
request to purchase stuff. Guess I got off easy.
Barb Coons
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Stephen Fleming 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS.

The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds 
the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise.

However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant fund 
raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales."

The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous in not 
revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS website to 
find that tidbit.

Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to contact 
me and they already have everything they need to know.

Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info and 
seeks information the NSS has no business collecting.

I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not 
tolerated.

I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a 
contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate pales 
beside the NSS misusing my personal data.

Stephen
13727 RL FE



On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote:
Allen,
                It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the 
product that they are making.  It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS 
members past and present.  I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the 
book.  It seems rather pricey to me.



On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hey all,
Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS members 
manual.  Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the NSS logo on 
it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps,  and a Po Box 
in Dallas Tx.

I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking some odd 
questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital status, name 
of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation.  Then at the end they want you to 
send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then be sent out for two 
payments of $50 for the hard bound book.  Or because I am a member, would 
bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, for two payments of 
$75...  I didn't provide much info, but started questioning it by the end.

Anyone know anything about this?  Is it a scam?   Is the NSS publishing the 
members manual in hardback?
Allen


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