I finally responded to the yellow postcard today, and updated Kel’s information 
also. The young woman I spoke with was pleasant and not even remotely pushy. 
She gave me the prices of both the hard copy and the digital version, we 
chatted a bit, and that was that. No sale pitch at all. I was polite to her and 
she was polite right back. I think sometimes with these folks you get what you 
project.

I’m not purchasing anything but for someone who has been caving for a long time 
and has lost track of more than a few individuals a directory of everyone who 
had ever been an NSS member would be of value. My high school put together such 
a directory a few years back and it has been useful.

Regarding privacy, if a company that produces a directory of this type did not 
take privacy seriously it would not around for more than one directory. This 
company has produced more than one such directory and is still in business so 
I’m not particularly concerned. Jacq. 


J. LaRue Thomas
[email protected]


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Michael Gibbons <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Apparently you didn't read my email.  An option to reply is to call them.  
> Which I did.  It was a pleasant experience.  They verified my info and asked 
> what info I  authorized to be included in the publication. 
> They asked my if I wished to purchase a directory and I told them not at this 
> time.  And that was it. 
> I'm proud to be a member of the NSS
> and am happy to include my contact info.  Perhaps one day I might find 
> someone I once knew through this effort. Perhaps someone will need a place to 
> stay or help with a broken auto while cruising through San Antonio and I'm 
> the only one listed.  I'd be able to help them. 
> I doubt the motives of the NSS are nefarious and the ownership of the company 
> collecting the information is contractually obliged not to deceminate our 
> information to any other entities save our own. 
> The solution to not having your information compromised is to choose not to 
> participate. 
> All this pissing  and moaning is petty and becoming tiresome. 
> Just opt out. That simple. 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> wrote:
> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS.
> 
> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds 
> the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise.
> 
> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant fund 
> raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales." 
> 
> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous in 
> not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS website 
> to find that tidbit.
> 
> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to contact 
> me and they already have everything they need to know.
> 
> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info and 
> seeks information the NSS has no business collecting.
> 
> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not 
> tolerated.
> 
> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a 
> contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate 
> pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data.
> 
> Stephen
> 13727 RL FE
> 
> 
> 

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