I phoned in. I authorized use of name, phone number and email. Asked if I wanted a directory, I said no. It wasn't a hard sell and they weren't after ant information that I seem sensitive. I think it's innocuous and that they are doing just what they were hired to do. Compile a directory and nothing more.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 5:16 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> wrote: > "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the > one making the calls. > > However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But, > while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is a > for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they would > get a pass due to the NSS overhead. > > Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme. > > Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a business > relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of our > membership. > > Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed without > violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed member > no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how desperately > the NSS might want them back. > > Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in > this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the > private information gleaned from our member status. > > As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking > of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to > outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is in > with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of integrity > control...that didn't work out so well for them). > > The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to > ensure that. > > I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk) > to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the controls? > I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement they would bear > that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on the NSS, that would > cost vastly more money and members than anything they ever could gain from > this exercise. > > Stephen > > > > > > On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree to > this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the FCC's > perspective? > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. >> >> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor >> funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. >> >> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant >> fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales." >> >> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous >> in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS >> website to find that tidbit. >> >> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to >> contact me and they already have everything they need to know. >> >> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info >> and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. >> >> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not >> tolerated. >> >> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a >> contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate >> pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. >> >> Stephen >> 13727 RL FE >> >> >> >> >> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: >> >> Allen, >> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product that >> they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS members >> past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the book. >> It seems rather pricey to me. >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS >> members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the >> NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps, >> and a Po Box in Dallas Tx. >> >> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking >> some odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital >> status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end >> they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then >> be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I >> am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, >> for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info, but started >> questioning it by the end. >> >> Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? 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