Gotcha, thanks for the expanation Stephen. I'd be in favor of a way to opt out of such things in the future. I get enough spam calls and email as it is, and basically, if I don't know the number, I don't answer and let VM take care of it. So, if they try to call me, they are going to get my voicemail. My information is up to date in my NSS membership, and they should have taken that into account (bounced mail at a minimum).
This was handled poorly and if I cared a bit more, I'd voice my opinion more than just on this forum and look into the meeting minutes to see who came up with the idea and who voted for it, if it was even put to a vote, hopefully it was. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:15 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> wrote: > "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the > one making the calls. > > However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But, > while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is a > for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they would > get a pass due to the NSS overhead. > > Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme. > > Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a business > relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of our > membership. > > Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed without > violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed member > no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how desperately > the NSS might want them back. > > Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in > this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the > private information gleaned from our member status. > > As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking > of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to > outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is in > with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of integrity > control...that didn't work out so well for them). > > The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to > ensure that. > > I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk) > to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the controls? > I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement they would bear > that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on the NSS, that would > cost vastly more money and members than anything they ever could gain from > this exercise. > > > Stephen > > > > > > > On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree to > this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the FCC's > perspective? > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. >> >> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor >> funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. >> >> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant >> fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales." >> >> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous >> in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS >> website to find that tidbit. >> >> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to >> contact me and they already have everything they need to know. >> >> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info >> and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. >> >> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not >> tolerated. >> >> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a >> contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate >> pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. >> >> Stephen >> 13727 RL FE >> >> >> >> >> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: >> >> Allen, >> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product that >> they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS members >> past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the book. >> It seems rather pricey to me. >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS >> members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the >> NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps, >> and a Po Box in Dallas Tx. >> >> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking >> some odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital >> status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end >> they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then >> be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I >> am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, >> for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info, but started >> questioning it by the end. >> >> Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? Is the NSS publishing >> the members manual in hardback? >> Allen >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> Virus-free. >> www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> <#m_9130296682599316240_m_3874256519059818729_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/swrcavers. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/d8131c59-3d47-b457-e99e-faef8239cc70%40gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/d8131c59-3d47-b457-e99e-faef8239cc70%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >
_______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com [email protected] | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
