Charles, I don't know you nor do I know Linda. I hope that was an inside joke of some sort. If not, I apologise for that comment. Not only is there no room for that sort of misguided logic in our organization, there's no room for it in addressing anyone. I regret you were target of thoughtless derogetory speak.
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:41 AM Charles Loving <[email protected]> wrote: > As an immigrant myself I never comply with any of those demands or deals. > I am a Brit by birth so I had to learn French, German and Latin before I > came to the EEUU. > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Linda Starr <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you, Diana. The NSS did give you all notice. Read your NSS News. Be >> a little more tolerant and teach tolerance except of people who are not >> tolerant of immigrants (you are one), children who can’t read or write and >> those who pollute and misuse natural resources. >> Linda Starr >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Diana, current members update this yearly when they renew, or if they >> renew multiple years, then when it expires. If someone chose to let their >> membership lapse, then this is unsolicited contact. >> >> I understand the reason for this, but it was not handled properly, in my >> opinion and I certainly didn't opt in for any phone calls at any time. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM Diana Tomchick < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> The NSS, like lots of volunteer organizations, needs to know who are the >>> people that are interested in receiving information from the organization. >>> Since many people change email addresses and phone numbers, after a few >>> years, the database is no longer current. This is an effective way to >>> update the database by a professional company. It's impractical to ask a >>> group of volunteer cavers to contact ~10,000 people to ask them about their >>> personal information--and imagine how upset y'all would be if you knew it >>> was just some random volunteer cavers trying to collect this information. >>> >>> >>> Why does the NSS need this information? As with most organizations these >>> days, the membership numbers are decreasing. In order for the NSS to stay >>> relevant to their current members and to encourage people to renew their >>> memberships, they need to be able to provide information to them. >>> >>> >>> I would hope that as the fine cavers you all are in the Southwest Region >>> of the NSS, that you would not want to deny the NSS the opportunity to >>> interact with you in the future. >>> >>> >>> Diana >>> >>> >>> ************************************************** >>> Diana R. Tomchick >>> Professor >>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry >>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center >>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd >>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=5323+Harry+Hines+Blvd&entry=gmail&source=g>. >>> Rm. ND10.214A >>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816 >>> [email protected] >>> (214) 645-6383 (phone) >>> (214) 645-6353 (fax) >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Texascavers <[email protected]> on behalf of >>> Michael Gibbons <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:24 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Cc:* Steve Peerman; SWR Cavers Group; Sandia Grotto; Allen Wright; Lee >>> Skinner >>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam? >>> >>> I phoned in. I authorized use of name, phone number and email. >>> Asked if I wanted a directory, I said no. It wasn't a hard sell and they >>> weren't after ant information that I seem sensitive. >>> I think it's innocuous and that they are doing just what they were hired >>> to do. Compile a directory and nothing more. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 5:16 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the >>>> one making the calls. >>>> >>>> However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. >>>> But, while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself >>>> is a for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they >>>> would get a pass due to the NSS overhead. >>>> >>>> Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme. >>>> >>>> Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a >>>> business relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of >>>> our membership. >>>> >>>> Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed >>>> without violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed >>>> member no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how >>>> desperately the NSS might want them back. >>>> >>>> Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email >>>> in this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the >>>> private information gleaned from our member status. >>>> >>>> As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct >>>> hacking of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data >>>> released to outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems >>>> Facebook is in with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances >>>> of integrity control...that didn't work out so well for them). >>>> >>>> The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to >>>> ensure that. >>>> >>>> I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the >>>> issue/risk) to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes >>>> the controls? I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement >>>> they would bear that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on the >>>> NSS, that would cost vastly more money and members than anything they ever >>>> could gain from this exercise. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree >>>> to this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the FCC's >>>> perspective? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. >>>>> >>>>> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the >>>>> contractor funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. >>>>> >>>>> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a >>>>> significant fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small >>>>> commission >>>>> on sales." >>>>> >>>>> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is >>>>> disingenuous in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to >>>>> search the NSS website to find that tidbit. >>>>> >>>>> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to >>>>> contact me and they already have everything they need to know. >>>>> >>>>> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver >>>>> info and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. >>>>> >>>>> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and >>>>> not tolerated. >>>>> >>>>> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even >>>>> to a contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to >>>>> participate pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> 13727 RL FE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Allen, >>>>> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product >>>>> that they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS >>>>> members past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy >>>>> the >>>>> book. It seems rather pricey to me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS >>>>> members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the >>>>> NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all >>>>> caps, >>>>> and a Po Box in Dallas Tx. >>>>> >>>>> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking >>>>> some odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, >>>>> marital >>>>> status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end >>>>> they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then >>>>> be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I >>>>> am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, >>>>> for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info, but started >>>>> questioning it by the end. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? 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