I would ask,

Now based on my key role in building a private social network from hundreds 
up to 45,000 staff in a large organisation, which somehow means little to 
others, I have not got traction myself.

*The null hypothosis*
How many people use the forum version of GG?, that is the ONLY way I use 
it, How many people use the archive? How many use the filters? Are we 
realing using GG well.

*The problem* is in my view finding out how to find a path for the 
community to evaluate and choose.

When I built a Yammer forum (still available), I would have being 
interested in people trying it, about three people spoke to me there, 20 
joined but did not do a simple post, so I am confident it was not even 
given a chance, even although I insisted it solved most if not all needs 
(after reading everyone's comments). I believe I addressed a number of 
concerns in the GG threads relating to it but we had no team evaluating it. 
I tried most other solutions proposed but was not able to feedback my 
experience good or bad, with each to anyone except the person(s) who 
proposed it, so my experience did not influence anyone ie it ended up being 
one persons experience and no collaboration took place.

The key features in my mind about yammer I would like to see for this 
community, is the ability to review all activity, but focus on special 
interest groups, or as a newbee start in a simple group for them. referring 
to prior discussions and avoiding too much repeating oneself was also good, 
as well as allowing voluntary group owners to curate there own groups.

This is about moving the culture, and cultures cant move easily until their 
is one to go to, we need a team of people to commit to a new solution. 

   - Never propose a replacement, first provide a good alternative and 
   maintain the place existing systems ie GG effectively, 
   - time will determine if the new solution is a success. 
   - I already lost the argument in GG that self admin was the best 
   approach democratising the admin functions, limited admins is unsustainable.

There is no way for our community to let a set of individuals take 
responsibility for a project and have their knowledge and experience 
applied to a community end. Even if in the end this is a population driven 
way to determine what is successful. Jeremy remains the only true leader, 
yet to expect him to personally promote, drive or authorise cultural 
changes is too much for an individual. 

Please do not just reply and only criticise yammer, this reply is not an 
invitation for its criticism, my points would be valid for any choice. Feel 
free to critisise my other words.

Regards
Tony





On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 1:46:17 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> PMario wrote:
>>
>> This may be interesting: 
>> https://github.blog/2020-05-06-new-from-satellite-2020-github-codespaces-github-discussions-securing-code-in-private-repositories-and-more/#discussions
>>
>> It turns out, that there is a new feature around the corner at github 
>> itself. 
>>
>
>
> AHA! That is BIG news! Other than a "home made federated system" which is 
> currently a pipe dream this is the only alternative to GG that I can 
> imagine supporting a switch to - assuming they execute it well and it is 
> user friendly also for people who don't normally understand Github (...I 
> include myself in this category).
>
> The closeness to the issue-reporting and PR's should (or at least *could*) 
> be very valuable for the project. I really hope they make a good design. It 
> might also spur further interest in GH as a free hosting alternative for 
> wikis.
>
> <:-)
>

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