Holy moly, I am extremely emotional all of a sudden. In my 25-year career, unceremoniously terminated last December, I never felt anybody at any level up the chain really had any clue what kind of work I did. It never mattered much because the job itself was oh-so-gratifying in every possible way, and my occasional celebratory self-pats on the back easily sustained me.
I am not used to having any kind of recognition for "job well done", and definitely not in such a glowing way. I am stunned, and that is just about the greatest gift anybody has ever given me. In my French-Acadian way, I'd say the sensation is: "Taberslack! Tcheu moseusse de caresse!". (i.e. "Wow! That is some compliment!") So thank-you, big time. (I've been busy polishing up my résumé and trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up. I must get back to my "ORM-ish à la TiddlyWiki <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ORM.html>" project.) All of that aside: I was once told that I "coddled" my users too much. Well, take care of the little guys in the trenches (i.e. their needs), and you can take that hill. On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:02:19 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote: > @charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good few > times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" > (custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO. > > Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread > <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ORM.html> is an > awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a > project lead would do very well to have, including Information > Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, > etc. > > All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's immortal > metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent such an > application might serve the needs of users in the context that Cedric > describes. > > Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: > whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by > what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what > will carry the day. So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of > using Google Docs vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many > times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-) > > /walt > > On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC work.ced...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the >> company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for >> should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be >> the right one. >> >> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit : >> >>> Thank you for your answers! >>> >>> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different >>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync >>> and I would need an example. >>> >>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said >>> that it is difficult for a team. >>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab business >>> account so I am not sure that it would be the solution. >>> >>> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the >>> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday. >>> >>> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing >>> that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time >>> developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy >>> situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you >>> installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. >>> >>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the >>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying >>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has >>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the >>> applications with many installations. >>> >>> This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki. >>> >>> Best Regards. >>> Cedric >>> >>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, flanc...@gmail.com a écrit : >>> >>>> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most >>>> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a >>>> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a >>>> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For >>>> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve >>>> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find >>>> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core >>>> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, >>>> and >>>> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. >>>> Anyone >>>> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing >>>> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. >>>> >>>> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which >>>> Cedric would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki >>>> hosted on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make >>>> it >>>> fully collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one >>>> again would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to >>>> Cedric if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that >>>> has a little bit of testing for this purpose. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Finn Lancaster >>>> Software Developer finnsoftware.net >>>> Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe <hww...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ludwa6: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for you post. It resonated with me since its insights are >>>>> consistent with me experience. I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Hans >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote: >>>>> >>>> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a >>>>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as >>>>>> i >>>>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm >>>>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a >>>>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity >>>>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and >>>>>> finally >>>>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to >>>>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient >>>>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. >>>>>> >>>>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of >>>>>> the very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building >>>>>> an >>>>>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, >>>>>> it's >>>>>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) >>>>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc. >>>>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels >>>>>> up >>>>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we >>>>>> all >>>>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, >>>>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see >>>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>>> >>>>>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of >>>>>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image. With granular >>>>>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game. >>>>>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a >>>>>> really good collaborative one? >>>>>> >>>>>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really >>>>>> is. To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to >>>>>> collaborative software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are >>>>>> open >>>>>> for us all to explore? (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open >>>>>> to >>>>>> edits by all that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only >>>>>> by >>>>>> virtue of its army of dedicated editors!) >>>>>> >>>>>> /walt >>>>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité (fraternité >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki? Pshiuuuuu ... boom.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for >>>>>>> just about anything. Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> job, you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of >>>>>>> having better figured out your needs/requirements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas. Don't >>>>>>> let yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure." >>>>>>> Avoid >>>>>>> "structure block" (like writer's block), and just get to writing. Let >>>>>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and >>>>>>> try >>>>>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach >>>>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It might take time to get everything juuuust right, but it will fit >>>>>>> you and your crew perfectly. The option is a "canned" solution with >>>>>>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> crew to adapt to the solution. (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible >>>>>>> solution to my quirky self.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rock'n roll ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 >>>>>>> work.ced...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a >>>>>>>> very small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small >>>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared >>>>>>>> between people who yet work in the same room and I want to start >>>>>>>> documenting projects and applications while managing updates and >>>>>>>> versions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>>>>> Tiddly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards. >>>>>>>> Cedric J. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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