Hey @charlie: you may have lost a job, but i suspect your career is far from over. Tell ya what, mate: if you could tweak that ORM-ish TiddlyWiki in such a way that users of your system documentation could easily contribute edits or even comments-in-context, i suspect you would find the sponsorship that you seek tout-de-suite! ;-)
/walt On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:36:48 PM UTC [email protected] wrote: > Holy moly, I am extremely emotional all of a sudden. > > In my 25-year career, unceremoniously terminated last December, I never > felt anybody at any level up the chain really had any clue what kind of > work I did. It never mattered much because the job itself was > oh-so-gratifying in every possible way, and my occasional celebratory > self-pats on the back easily sustained me. > > I am not used to having any kind of recognition for "job well done", and > definitely not in such a glowing way. I am stunned, and that is just about > the greatest gift anybody has ever given me. In my French-Acadian way, I'd > say the sensation is: "Taberslack! Tcheu moseusse de caresse!". (i.e. > "Wow! That is some compliment!") > > So thank-you, big time. (I've been busy polishing up my résumé and trying > to figure out what I want to be when I grow up. I must get back to my > "ORM-ish > à la TiddlyWiki > <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ORM.html>" project.) > > All of that aside: I was once told that I "coddled" my users too much. > Well, take care of the little guys in the trenches (i.e. their needs), and > you can take that hill. > > On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:02:19 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote: > >> @charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good few >> times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" >> (custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO. >> >> Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread >> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ORM.html> is an >> awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a >> project lead would do very well to have, including Information >> Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, >> etc. >> >> All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's immortal >> metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent such an >> application might serve the needs of users in the context that Cedric >> describes. >> >> Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: >> whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by >> what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what >> will carry the day. So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of >> using Google Docs vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many >> times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-) >> >> /walt >> >> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the >>> company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for >>> should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be >>> the right one. >>> >>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit : >>> >>>> Thank you for your answers! >>>> >>>> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different >>>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git >>>> sync >>>> and I would need an example. >>>> >>>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said >>>> that it is difficult for a team. >>>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab >>>> business account so I am not sure that it would be the solution. >>>> >>>> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the >>>> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday. >>>> >>>> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing >>>> that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time >>>> developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy >>>> situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you >>>> installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. >>>> >>>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the >>>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time >>>> trying >>>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has >>>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the >>>> applications with many installations. >>>> >>>> This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private >>>> Wiki. >>>> >>>> Best Regards. >>>> Cedric >>>> >>>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, [email protected] a >>>> écrit : >>>> >>>>> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most >>>>> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a >>>>> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a >>>>> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. >>>>> For >>>>> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, >>>>> I’ve removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to >>>>> find them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the >>>>> “core vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal >>>>> notebook, and hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a >>>>> team >>>>> level. Anyone attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and >>>>> the main thing needed to do all of this correctly is patience. >>>>> >>>>> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which >>>>> Cedric would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki >>>>> hosted on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make >>>>> it >>>>> fully collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one >>>>> again would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to >>>>> Cedric if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that >>>>> has a little bit of testing for this purpose. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Finn Lancaster >>>>> Software Developer finnsoftware.net >>>>> Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ludwa6: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for you post. It resonated with me since its insights are >>>>>> consistent with me experience. I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Hans >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a >>>>>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much >>>>>>> as i >>>>>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what >>>>>>> i'm >>>>>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a >>>>>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity >>>>>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and >>>>>>> finally >>>>>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to >>>>>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient >>>>>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of >>>>>>> the very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) >>>>>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc. >>>>>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, >>>>>>> @charlie, >>>>>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see >>>>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of >>>>>>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image. With granular >>>>>>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game. >>>>>>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a >>>>>>> really good collaborative one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really >>>>>>> is. To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to >>>>>>> collaborative software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are >>>>>>> open >>>>>>> for us all to explore? (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> edits by all that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that >>>>>>> only by >>>>>>> virtue of its army of dedicated editors!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /walt >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité (fraternité >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki? Pshiuuuuu ... boom.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for >>>>>>>> just about anything. Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> job, you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of >>>>>>>> having better figured out your needs/requirements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas. Don't >>>>>>>> let yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure." >>>>>>>> Avoid >>>>>>>> "structure block" (like writer's block), and just get to writing. >>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and >>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach >>>>>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It might take time to get everything juuuust right, but it will fit >>>>>>>> you and your crew perfectly. The option is a "canned" solution with >>>>>>>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> crew to adapt to the solution. (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible >>>>>>>> solution to my quirky self.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rock'n roll ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 >>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a >>>>>>>>> very small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small >>>>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared >>>>>>>>> between people who yet work in the same room and I want to start >>>>>>>>> documenting projects and applications while managing updates and >>>>>>>>> versions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>>>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>>>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>>>>>> Tiddly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards. >>>>>>>>> Cedric J. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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