Dare I utter the word.. Twederation? https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation
On Saturday, 30 January 2021 at 17:05:25 UTC ludwa6 wrote: > Hey @charlie: you may have lost a job, but i suspect your career is far > from over. Tell ya what, mate: if you could tweak that ORM-ish TiddlyWiki > in such a way that users of your system documentation could easily > contribute edits or even comments-in-context, i suspect you would find the > sponsorship that you seek tout-de-suite! ;-) > > /walt > > On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:36:48 PM UTC [email protected] wrote: > >> Holy moly, I am extremely emotional all of a sudden. >> >> In my 25-year career, unceremoniously terminated last December, I never >> felt anybody at any level up the chain really had any clue what kind of >> work I did. It never mattered much because the job itself was >> oh-so-gratifying in every possible way, and my occasional celebratory >> self-pats on the back easily sustained me. >> >> I am not used to having any kind of recognition for "job well done", and >> definitely not in such a glowing way. I am stunned, and that is just about >> the greatest gift anybody has ever given me. In my French-Acadian way, I'd >> say the sensation is: "Taberslack! Tcheu moseusse de caresse!". (i.e. >> "Wow! That is some compliment!") >> >> So thank-you, big time. (I've been busy polishing up my résumé and >> trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up. I must get back to >> my "ORM-ish à la TiddlyWiki >> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ORM.html>" >> project.) >> >> All of that aside: I was once told that I "coddled" my users too much. >> Well, take care of the little guys in the trenches (i.e. their needs), and >> you can take that hill. >> >> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:02:19 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote: >> >>> @charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good >>> few times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" >>> (custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO. >>> >>> Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ORM.html> is an >>> awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a >>> project lead would do very well to have, including Information >>> Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, >>> etc. >>> >>> All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's >>> immortal metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent >>> such an application might serve the needs of users in the context that >>> Cedric describes. >>> >>> Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: >>> whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by >>> what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what >>> will carry the day. So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of >>> using Google Docs vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many >>> times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-) >>> >>> /walt >>> >>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the >>>> company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for >>>> should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be >>>> the right one. >>>> >>>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Thank you for your answers! >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different >>>>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git >>>>> sync >>>>> and I would need an example. >>>>> >>>>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said >>>>> that it is difficult for a team. >>>>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab >>>>> business account so I am not sure that it would be the solution. >>>>> >>>>> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the >>>>> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday. >>>>> >>>>> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. >>>>> Knowing that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 >>>>> full-time developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from >>>>> the messy situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting >>>>> next >>>>> to you installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the >>>>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time >>>>> trying >>>>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he >>>>> has >>>>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the >>>>> applications with many installations. >>>>> >>>>> This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private >>>>> Wiki. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards. >>>>> Cedric >>>>> >>>>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, [email protected] a >>>>> écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most >>>>>> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a >>>>>> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a >>>>>> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. >>>>>> For >>>>>> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, >>>>>> I’ve removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to >>>>>> find them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the >>>>>> “core vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal >>>>>> notebook, and hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a >>>>>> team >>>>>> level. Anyone attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, >>>>>> and >>>>>> the main thing needed to do all of this correctly is patience. >>>>>> >>>>>> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which >>>>>> Cedric would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a >>>>>> tiddlyWiki >>>>>> hosted on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make >>>>>> it >>>>>> fully collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one >>>>>> again would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to >>>>>> Cedric if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least >>>>>> that >>>>>> has a little bit of testing for this purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Finn Lancaster >>>>>> Software Developer finnsoftware.net >>>>>> Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ludwa6: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for you post. It resonated with me since its insights are >>>>>>> consistent with me experience. I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Hans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a >>>>>>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much >>>>>>>> as i >>>>>>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what >>>>>>>> i'm >>>>>>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a >>>>>>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity >>>>>>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and >>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient >>>>>>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside >>>>>>>> of the very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly >>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>> an extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's >>>>>>>> fast, >>>>>>>> it's "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as >>>>>>>> TW5) >>>>>>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc. >>>>>>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- >>>>>>>> we all >>>>>>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, >>>>>>>> @charlie, >>>>>>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see >>>>>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of >>>>>>>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image. With granular >>>>>>>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game. >>>>>>>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> really good collaborative one? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really >>>>>>>> is. To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to >>>>>>>> collaborative software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are >>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>> for us all to explore? (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> edits by all that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that >>>>>>>> only by >>>>>>>> virtue of its army of dedicated editors!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /walt >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité (fraternité >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki? Pshiuuuuu ... boom.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice >>>>>>>>> for just about anything. Even if you try it and decide it isn't >>>>>>>>> right for >>>>>>>>> the job, you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the >>>>>>>>> benefit of >>>>>>>>> having better figured out your needs/requirements. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas. Don't >>>>>>>>> let yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure." >>>>>>>>> Avoid >>>>>>>>> "structure block" (like writer's block), and just get to writing. >>>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, >>>>>>>>> and try >>>>>>>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach >>>>>>>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It might take time to get everything juuuust right, but it will >>>>>>>>> fit you and your crew perfectly. The option is a "canned" solution >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> crew to adapt to the solution. (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible >>>>>>>>> solution to my quirky self.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rock'n roll ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a >>>>>>>>>> very small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small >>>>>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared >>>>>>>>>> between people who yet work in the same room and I want to start >>>>>>>>>> documenting projects and applications while managing updates and >>>>>>>>>> versions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>>>>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>>>>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>>>>>>> Tiddly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards. >>>>>>>>>> Cedric J. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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