Now we're talking. That is an awesome use case. Are you thinking of doing that on a smartphone? If so: yuck. A small screen would require flipping back and forth between outliner + your thoughts + "presentation" notes. Could be done (sliding panels), but I'm no fan of not having everything in front of me.
I'd want a device with a screen big enough to have all three panels visible. A decent-sized tablet? So a tiddler for a specific class/seminar/presentation would look something like this <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/121EcOa6fdDxtoxudpR3SqI1oFmFYcIT97un5i1z6cuk/edit?usp=sharing> ? On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 12:54:59 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: > OK @Charlie: For a scenario of agile NoteTaking in an outliner that might > hold a “deep issue” or few for TW to solve, let us consider the case of an > isolated eLearner taking notes in one window while video lecture is playing > in another. > > Teacher is talking, and I’m here banging out notes as fast as i can type > a key phrase and hit return… And before you know it, I’ve got a screen full > of lines that reflect the lecturer’s train of thought, insofar as i have > followed it. Thing is, I’ve been having my own thoughts about all this as > we go along -some of which i may want to nest beneath a pithy quote from > Teacher, while others may be my own original train of thought that I want > to organize in a separate group- and this i can easily do, without needing > to pause the video, because each line is a discrete object that i can move > up or down, indent or outdent, fold or unfold, whether by a single > keystroke or mouse click&drag or gesture on glass. > > Now: can you show me a one window interface in TiddlyWiki where i can work > like that? > > /walt > > On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:07:37 PM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: > >> I am really enjoying this thread of discussion. >> >> Fully recognizing (almost giddy about it) that any one solution can be >> the best for one group of doers'n thinkers, it can come up short for other >> groups of doers'n thinkers (cognitive differences/preferences are one of >> the beautiful thing that make our species so danged interesting)... >> >> I can't help myself, always wondering: how would I do this/that with >> TiddlyWiki. >> >> There are a lot of angles to cover re taking vs making notes. >> >> Maybe we can go over, one-by-one, your list of deep issues that keep TW >> from being Agile. (Yeah, I"m kind of an over-eager beaver over here, ready >> to jump at each "feature" and instinctively react with a "why couldn't >> TiddlyWiki can do that? All rainbows and blue skies and butterflies me...") >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:30:12 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: >> >>> I see what you can do about mode-switching , Charlie, and agree: that’s >>> a good hi-level UI affordance.. >>> >>> Still, I think that there be pretty deep issues that keep TW from being >>> a very agile NoteTaking tool. >>> >>> The best solution to the portability problem that I have found involves >>> using Quine2 app on my iPhone, with sync to my desktop TW instance via >>> Apple iCloud, but that is kind of a hack, overly dependent on Apple, I >>> would say. >>> >>> Still more challenging to my mind is the diff between an outlining >>> editor and the text editing window in a tiddler; that is fundamentally >>> constrained by web standards -is it not? >>> >>> /walt >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 5:21:42 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Instinctively, I'm thinking it should be possible to simultaneously >>>> have both "modes" (taking vs making) at the same time available, just >>>> because TiddlyWiki is so flexible. >>>> >>>> If not simultaneous modes, then it should be possible to switch between >>>> the two modes without batting an eyelash, kind of like how my more recent >>>> TiddlyWiki instances can switch between "reader" and "author" modes >>>> (triggered by hide/show of sidebar). Or how my Favourite Stuff and >>>> Projects >>>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html> >>>> TiddlyWiki can switch between contexts. >>>> >>>> That said, I must chew on it a bit, and read all previously mentioned >>>> articles a few times over. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:29:42 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for engaging, Saq: responses inline below. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:53:51 PM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Crude, but effective enough, albeit with some editing overhead in TW >>>>>>> that it would be nice to eliminate. Am starting to explore the >>>>>>> possibilities of Logseq as a potential Dynalist replacement; it does >>>>>>> outlining in much the same way, but has some interesting export >>>>>>> functions, >>>>>>> including JSON and Roam JSON. If there were a way in TW to import such >>>>>>> exports and convert them into proper tiddlers... That would be amazing! >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is definitely doable. How useful such an import is will depend on >>>>>> what kind of features/markup you are using in those systems and how well >>>>>> they would translate to wikitext. Converting pure text though is very >>>>>> straight forward. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is mostly plain text, but for Markdown formatting ( which I could >>>>> live without) and links- formatted like [Google](https:// Google.com) >>>>> -which would need conversion to [[wikilinks form|https://google.com]]. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone else has got some other solution for agile NoteTaking that >>>>>>> integrates nicely with TiddlyWiki for NoteMaking, i'd be very >>>>>>> interested to >>>>>>> hear about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To this end, it would be interesting to understand what features or >>>>>> workflow in Dynalist (or Logseq) make it better for note taking (vs >>>>>> TiddlyWiki) in your experience. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Essentially it’s about speed and portability, traversing/ elaborating/ >>>>> reorganizing outlines as fast as fingers can type, and context switching >>>>> from local desktop to mobile phone in the field ( i.e. cloud) many times >>>>> per day without a hitch. If this is possible in TW, I’d love to know >>>>> how… >>>>> But i think it’s a case of architectures that are optimized for different >>>>> things, don’t you think? >>>>> >>>>> /walt >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/393de54f-6905-482a-8df9-bf47c0dcb2b4n%40googlegroups.com.
