Ugh et oops.. e-Learner. I went a little off-track there thinking in-person classroom/auditorium/hall.
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 1:53 PM Charlie Veniot <[email protected]> wrote: > Now we're talking. That is an awesome use case. > > Are you thinking of doing that on a smartphone? If so: yuck. A small > screen would require flipping back and forth between outliner + your > thoughts + "presentation" notes. Could be done (sliding panels), but I'm > no fan of not having everything in front of me. > > I'd want a device with a screen big enough to have all three panels > visible. A decent-sized tablet? > > So a tiddler for a specific class/seminar/presentation would look something > like this > <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/121EcOa6fdDxtoxudpR3SqI1oFmFYcIT97un5i1z6cuk/edit?usp=sharing> > ? > > > > On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 12:54:59 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: > >> OK @Charlie: For a scenario of agile NoteTaking in an outliner that might >> hold a “deep issue” or few for TW to solve, let us consider the case of an >> isolated eLearner taking notes in one window while video lecture is playing >> in another. >> >> Teacher is talking, and I’m here banging out notes as fast as i can type >> a key phrase and hit return… And before you know it, I’ve got a screen full >> of lines that reflect the lecturer’s train of thought, insofar as i have >> followed it. Thing is, I’ve been having my own thoughts about all this >> as we go along -some of which i may want to nest beneath a pithy quote from >> Teacher, while others may be my own original train of thought that I want >> to organize in a separate group- and this i can easily do, without needing >> to pause the video, because each line is a discrete object that i can move >> up or down, indent or outdent, fold or unfold, whether by a single >> keystroke or mouse click&drag or gesture on glass. >> >> Now: can you show me a one window interface in TiddlyWiki where i can >> work like that? >> >> /walt >> >> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:07:37 PM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I am really enjoying this thread of discussion. >>> >>> Fully recognizing (almost giddy about it) that any one solution can be >>> the best for one group of doers'n thinkers, it can come up short for other >>> groups of doers'n thinkers (cognitive differences/preferences are one of >>> the beautiful thing that make our species so danged interesting)... >>> >>> I can't help myself, always wondering: how would I do this/that with >>> TiddlyWiki. >>> >>> There are a lot of angles to cover re taking vs making notes. >>> >>> Maybe we can go over, one-by-one, your list of deep issues that keep TW >>> from being Agile. (Yeah, I"m kind of an over-eager beaver over here, ready >>> to jump at each "feature" and instinctively react with a "why couldn't >>> TiddlyWiki can do that? All rainbows and blue skies and butterflies me...") >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:30:12 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: >>> >>>> I see what you can do about mode-switching , Charlie, and agree: that’s >>>> a good hi-level UI affordance.. >>>> >>>> Still, I think that there be pretty deep issues that keep TW from being >>>> a very agile NoteTaking tool. >>>> >>>> The best solution to the portability problem that I have found involves >>>> using Quine2 app on my iPhone, with sync to my desktop TW instance via >>>> Apple iCloud, but that is kind of a hack, overly dependent on Apple, I >>>> would say. >>>> >>>> Still more challenging to my mind is the diff between an outlining >>>> editor and the text editing window in a tiddler; that is fundamentally >>>> constrained by web standards -is it not? >>>> >>>> /walt >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 5:21:42 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> Instinctively, I'm thinking it should be possible to simultaneously >>>>> have both "modes" (taking vs making) at the same time available, just >>>>> because TiddlyWiki is so flexible. >>>>> >>>>> If not simultaneous modes, then it should be possible to switch >>>>> between the two modes without batting an eyelash, kind of like how my more >>>>> recent TiddlyWiki instances can switch between "reader" and "author" modes >>>>> (triggered by hide/show of sidebar). Or how my Favourite Stuff and >>>>> Projects >>>>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html> >>>>> TiddlyWiki can switch between contexts. >>>>> >>>>> That said, I must chew on it a bit, and read all previously mentioned >>>>> articles a few times over. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:29:42 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for engaging, Saq: responses inline below. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:53:51 PM UTC+1 [email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Crude, but effective enough, albeit with some editing overhead in TW >>>>>>>> that it would be nice to eliminate. Am starting to explore the >>>>>>>> possibilities of Logseq as a potential Dynalist replacement; it does >>>>>>>> outlining in much the same way, but has some interesting export >>>>>>>> functions, >>>>>>>> including JSON and Roam JSON. If there were a way in TW to import such >>>>>>>> exports and convert them into proper tiddlers... That would be amazing! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is definitely doable. How useful such an import is will depend on >>>>>>> what kind of features/markup you are using in those systems and how well >>>>>>> they would translate to wikitext. Converting pure text though is very >>>>>>> straight forward. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is mostly plain text, but for Markdown formatting ( which I could >>>>>> live without) and links- formatted like [Google](https:// >>>>>> Google.com) -which would need conversion to [[wikilinks form| >>>>>> https://google.com]]. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anyone else has got some other solution for agile NoteTaking >>>>>>>> that integrates nicely with TiddlyWiki for NoteMaking, i'd be very >>>>>>>> interested to hear about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To this end, it would be interesting to understand what features or >>>>>>> workflow in Dynalist (or Logseq) make it better for note taking (vs >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki) in your experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Essentially it’s about speed and portability, traversing/ >>>>>> elaborating/ reorganizing outlines as fast as fingers can type, and >>>>>> context >>>>>> switching from local desktop to mobile phone in the field ( i.e. cloud) >>>>>> many times per day without a hitch. If this is possible in TW, I’d love >>>>>> to >>>>>> know how… But i think it’s a case of architectures that are optimized for >>>>>> different things, don’t you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> /walt >>>>>> >>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/vlAZ_K4K63o/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/393de54f-6905-482a-8df9-bf47c0dcb2b4n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/393de54f-6905-482a-8df9-bf47c0dcb2b4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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