i know the guy who designed the ipod touch. he told me that the problem with batteries in general is that there is no good way to test them other than to use them. so there are going to be some percentage of batteries and hence ipod touches/iphones that have bad batteries. all phones and battery powered electronic devices suffer from this problem. still, its the majority of phones and devices that have batteries with proper longevity. again the lack of a user-replaceable battery may seem 'stupid' to you but i'm telling you, its not an issue for probably 80% of people out there. if i were a salesman and using the phone for business all day i might want a replaceable battery, but for me its never been an issue. with heavy email and web usage i'm getting at least 10 hours per day out of the phone. my wife mostly uses hers for phone, lightly, and gets close to 3 days out of one charge.
as to your point about "the cost of shipping, the battery itself, the service from the techs and maybe the shipping back", i'm not sure what you are talking about. the cost for apple to replace your battery on an OUT OF WARRANTY iPhone is $85.95. that includes all shipping, all labor and all parts. please read the URL i posted, again if necessary. if your iPhone is under warranty, apple will replace the battery free. and don't underestimate apple's customer service. i know personally 3 people who *dropped* their iphones, breaking them. apple replaced these iphones free during the 1-year warranty period, no "extended warranty" necessary. in my case the last straw from sprint was when, on june 28 2007, the new treo 680 i got for my wife failed 31 days into its life. sprint told me to pay $50 to get it fixed, or go get screwed. palm took 2 months to replace it under warranty. in apple's case, a failed phone under warranty will be replaced immediately. you walk down to the store and they hand you a new phone right there on the spot. finally, the web browser on the iPhone alone is worth the price of admission. with the exception of flash, it is 100% equivalent to safari on the desktop. that has boosted my mobile efficiency by leaps and bounds compared to the junk on the treo that could barely render html. likewise with email - i had to use chatter to get anything that was even close to desktop class, and chatter had lots of 'interesting' problems - like certain messages would cause it to wedge up and the only way to fix it was to go to a desktop machine and delete the offending message. finally the user interface with the taps and pinches is really very nice for google maps. --- In [email protected], Scandals & Animals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The guy who posted the youtube video (AND others who have said the same > thing on the net) have had experiences that differ from yours. If your > battery has outperformed theirs, good for you. That price that comes close > to a new iPhone is the cost of shipping, the battery itself, the service > from the techs, and maybe the shipping back, iow, the total package. If > you can purchase a battery on your own and do it yourself, great. Most > people won't want to try it. > What are you able to do more efficiently on an iPhone? With the stagnation > of the Palm OS and being aggresively unimpressed with their newer products, > I'm keeping an eye out for something better. I just haven't found it yet. > > ...... Original Message ....... > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:27:16 -0000 "rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >to be perfectly honest, i don't know why i'm still on this list, because i > dumped my sprint > >treo 650 for an iPhone on june 30, 2007. i was slightly unhappy at the > loss of 3rd party > >apps at first, but the overall package was so superior to the treo that it > wasnt long before > >i was happy again. and once the dev team figured out the jailbreak and > people started > >developing apps, i was *very* happy. and now with the app store, there are > loads of > >interesting applications available. i can do things more efficently with > the iPhone than i > >ever could do with the treo. > > > >anyway, where can you get a new iphone for $85.95? i'd like to know. > > > >http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/ > > > >as i said i've had the iPhone for a year and the battery is still going > strong. it holds the > >same charge it did on the first day i owned it. apple is most certainly > not engaging in > >"malicious and predatory engineering." do you seriously think iPods and > iPhones would be > >as popular as they are if the batteries were a serious problem for people? > > > >i've owned 3 iPods and 2 iPhones and none of them have ever needed a > battery replaced. > > > >use what works for you. the only ridiculous thing here is mindless and > uninformed hating > >on the iPhone. > > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], Scandals & Animals <scandalsandanimals@> > wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, but the iPhone's battery seems engineered to last a year or less, > requiring the user > >to send it in for an expensive replacement, or preferably just purchase > another iPhone. > >That's apparently by design. The replacement fee is almost as much as a > new iPhone, and > >then you're without a phone until they ship it back. There's a video on > youtube or similar > >site made by a guy who called Apple and recorded it. He asked how to > change the battery > >and was told he'd have to send it in, how much it would cost, etc. > >> > >> That's not just ridiculous; it's malicious and predatory engineering and > marketing. > >> > >> ..... Original Message ....... > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:24:32 -0400 "Harold M. Goldner" <hgoldner@> > wrote: > >> >I agree that the non-removable battery isn't that big of a deal. I > tend towards the > >obsessive-compulsive, so I got a spare battery almost as soon as I got my > first Treo, but I > >had used Palms with nonremovable batteries for 9 years before that, and > Zauri for 5 or > >more before that. > >> > > >> >And I've even cracked an ipod or two to refresh the battery or drive. > >> > > >> >Harold > >> > > >> > > >> > ..... Original Message ....... > >> >On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:15:00 -0400 Levi Wallach <levi@> wrote: >
