> I'll say that you've accomplished precisely nothing in the area that
libreboot works on,
I never claimed we accomplished anything in the area libreboot works on. What
on earth makes you think I was suggesting that? Our approach was completely
different. We *LOOKED* into that approached back in 2009 and concluded it
wasn't the right direction to take it. It's a non-trivial task to port
coreboot. The better approach was to build up the financial resources by
working on *other* smaller projects. Which is exactly what we did. More
recently we did start working on a laptop that would be better from a freedom
angle. However it's still a work in progress.
> , while libreboot is providing something real that people can actually use
(
We do provide *real* product that is more free than the systems you sell.
They just aren't laptops. Yet.
> while libreboot is providing something real that people can actually use
(and I would never
> sell anything that had a proprietary BIOS in it. The thought actually
makes me feel ill).
Let me get this straight. So your not OK with a non-free BIOS but you are
still OK with non-free firmware elsewhere on the system? How is this not
hypocritical? You didn't even bother to remove the winmodems from the systems
and there are still proprietary pieces in the hard disk controllers and
elsewhere.
There are degrees of what is possible and what we will all accept. You
started later and your line is slightly different, but it's still a line.
We started earlier the line then was just a system that worked with Trisquel-
our goal to ship 100% free systems would take longer, but it would be a
reliable road with a longer term chance of success.
> libreboot plays a big part in that. I work on it every day, founded the
project (on very limited resources
I understand that and I'm sorry that you took my criticisms as an attack on
you and libreboot. They were not.
I also have worked very hard for a lot longer on these same issues. I also
started out with zero budget. I worked two full time jobs outside of the work
I did on ThinkPenguin to get it off the ground. It took 3 years. I did it
though. I don't know how much time or how many jobs you have outside of mini
free- but I do know how hard I worked and how hard I still work to solve
these problems. And at the end of the day I'm not even doing the stuff that
I'd like to do. Which is work on the core technical side of solving these
problems. I decided long ago that it was a business/financial issue that was
more of a problem to solve than a technical one. We have lots of technical
people who can work on projects like libreboot- but we don't have people
raising the funds to cover the costs of those who are doing it. Which was a
big priority for me.
