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PJ
  You are correct.  The scientology definition does not apply to this.
A self determined postulate is a decision to do that I apply to myself.
A pan determined postulate is a decision to do that I apply to someone else.
  I want to read "Winnie the Pooh" so I get the book and read it. This is my
self determined postulate in action.
 Now I want you to read it so you can enjoy it too.  I present you with a
copy and ask you to read it.  This is my pan determined postulate in action.
My postulate that I apply to myself is labeled self determined postulate in
TROM.
My postulate that I apply to another is my pan determined postulate.
Dennis is just making the point that in a game with others the postulates
come in two parts. The part that applies to me is labeled my self determined
postulate.  The part that applies to someone else is the pan determined
part.

love



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on
Behalf Of PruJoy 081
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:27 PM
To: The Resolution of Mind list
Subject: [TROM1] "Pan Determined" postulate?

Hi again,

I listened right through that Level 5 tape & oh brother - it used up a LOT
of my brain function & I am paying for it now.

First thing I need to clarify & that is the context in which Dennis is using
the term "Pan Determined".  I am quite familiar with the Scientology
definition of "Pan Determinsm" but cannot quite fit it to Dennis's context.

He is describing the postulates of "Other" as Pan Determined.  But I can't
work out how you can fit the Scn definition to that.  As per the dictionary
#2. "defined as determining the activities of two or more sides in a game
simultaneously & #3. the ability to regulate the considerations of two or
more identities, whether or not opposed & #4 full responsibility for both
sides of a game.

To my understanding, these definitions apply to the "self" assuming a "pan
determined" viewpoint of "another".  So how can an "other's" postulate be
called "pan determined" - it appears to me that his viewpoint or postulate
(not 100% clear on this concept either) would to himself appear "self
determined".

Oh dear, any assistance greatly appreciated ...

PJ
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