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Thanks very much for that Martin.
My "find" function for "pan determinism" did not pick that definition table up. I am currently using the wordpad version that is on Pete's Tromhelp site. I had a pdf version on my other computer that has gone in for repair. OK - so now I am clearer as to the use of the term "Pan Determined" in TROM. Whether "complimentary" or "overwhelm" that determinism that includes the action of self & others is described as being "Pan Determined". Phew! So now to just clarify if I am recognizing the Pan Determined postulates correctly, as per Lvl 5,1A, would "Forced to know" be the PD, OR is it "must be known"? What does that last column on the chart represent? This probably appears so obvious to everyone, as Dennis mentions at the end of the tape, but he does say that it just takes the "operating" of Lvl 5 for awhile to make it seem so, obvious that is PJ
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