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PJ I had the same troubles when I started studying the TROM materials. Dennis developed language that would not be Scientologeeze so he would not have legal problems with the church. Next he is describing in great detail the parts of a conflict in postulates between "me" and others.
Third he is describing my overwhelms from conflicts where I have emotional charge on the result and do not want to look at those unpleasant incidents again. When you are studying the TROM material all this works against you. Dennis did not write the book for a beginner to learn about TROM. I read the book 17 times. The first 10 times just to absorb enough understanding of the bits and pieces of what he was saying to get some idea of what I stated above. After that I began making footnotes and defining words and rereading so as to puzzle out what he was trying to accomplish with the bits and pieces. I am still rereading the book and still cogniting on what he means. Each time through the book the auditing I am doing gives me examples that I can use to understand better what he is talking about. I have progressed now to the point where the basic conflicts of postulates are easy to understand. For example it is obvious to me now that when I entirely fail at level 4 of a game about a particular subject for instance "painting houses" I would leave that field of endeavor forever because I was so emotionally charged on anything to do with painting houses that I could no longer confront doing anything in that field. I would still have to make a living so I would have to find some kind of work. From my own feelings on failure I know that I would pick something to do that was entirely removed from the activity of painting houses. I might choose to be a holy man and live in a cave or the modern equivalent be a computer programmer and live in a corporate computer room living on caffinated beverages. I am not very smart but I am very persistent. Once I realized that Dennis was not using words in their usual meaning I could write the correct definitions in the footnotes and work out what he meant. The TROM book at www.tromhelp.com <http://www.tromhelp.com/> contains the footnotes with the explanations and definitions that I developed from this process. Keep on TROMming -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of PruJoy 081 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:04 PM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Pan Determined" postulate? Thanks Pete, That helps a lot to clarify Dennis's intent with the term "Pan Determined". I can understand that. However, it is a shame that this is not explained in his actual materials because it is very confusing if one is used to the Scientology definition. How did you work out his meaning? Has Dennis written the definition somewhere else? I wish he could have made a new description altogether although I have no idea what. But to use an existing term but change the meaning of it - oh brother - that does my head in (but, of course, that is not hard to do - ha ha!). To me wanting someone to "know" yr experience would only be pan determined if it included the option to "not know" as well. But in Level 1A (Lvl 5) Dennis shows that the other forced self to know & self was "overwhelmed" - this did not include any option to "know or not know". Do I understand correctly that the Pan Determined Postulate here is "Forced to know"? Dennis stresses in the tape that it is very important to know what the Pan Determined Postulates are in Level 5 hence why I am making sure I understand this correctly from the start. PJ _____ _____ Download it here. The new Windows Live Messenger has landed. <http://download.live.com/>
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