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Thanks Pete,

That helps a lot to clarify Dennis's intent with the term "Pan Determined".  I 
can understand that.  

However, it is a shame that this is not explained in his actual materials 
because it is very confusing if one is used to the Scientology definition.  How 
did you work out his meaning?  Has Dennis written the definition somewhere else?

I wish he could have made a new description altogether although I have no idea 
what.  But to use an existing term but change the meaning of it - oh brother - 
that does my head in (but, of course, that is not hard to do - ha ha!).

To me wanting someone to "know" yr experience would only be pan determined if 
it included the option to "not know" as well.  But in Level 1A (Lvl 5) Dennis 
shows that the other forced self to know & self was "overwhelmed" - this did 
not include any option to "know or not know".  

Do I understand correctly that the Pan Determined Postulate here is "Forced to 
know"?  Dennis stresses in the tape that it is very important to know what the 
Pan Determined Postulates are in Level 5 hence why I am making sure I 
understand this correctly from the start.

PJ


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