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Hi Pru - I also struggled with this. I had the idea that pan-determined
meant being neutral.
There is a section "Terms used" extracted below in bold. It may be
worthwhile to re-look at the Tech dictionary defs. Eg. Tech dictionary:
"One is Self-determined, then, in any situation in which he is
fighting.
He is pan-determined in any situation which he is controlling.
(FOT, p.
50) 10. self-determinism meant, in essence,
control by
the awareness of awareness unit of that which it conceived to be its
identity.
(Dn55!, p. 98)
The Scio defs have the single viewpont of self being controlled by
consciousness. They relate more to "intent" than to action.
The TROM "pan" relates to own and others action. Or being cause over
another's actions.
Extract from TROM:
Terms Used.
All terms used in a special sense have been-defined within the text.
However, a few terms have been used with the sense they are given in
the subject of Scientology. I have used these terms because they are
the most concise and meaningful available for the phenomena they
describe. Their Scientology definitions follow:
Pan Determinism. (PD): Determining the action of self and others
(non-self).(The word pan is derived from the Greek word for all).
Further he says, "It is a law of all games that overwhelming
failure causes the being to compulsively adopt the pan-determined
postulate of his opponent."
Which in effect means the being had a postulate for his opponent which
the opponent could accept as complimentary or resist as conflicting and
if s/he lost would then adopt the beings pan-determined postulate thus
overwhelming own self-determinism.
Martin
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Thanks Pete,
That helps a lot to clarify Dennis's intent with the term "Pan
Determined". I can understand that.
However, it is a shame that this is not explained in his actual
materials because it is very confusing if one is used to the
Scientology definition. How did you work out his meaning? Has Dennis
written the definition somewhere else?
I wish he could have made a new description altogether although I have
no idea what. But to use an existing term but change the meaning of it
- oh brother - that does my head in (but, of course, that is not hard
to do - ha ha!).
To me wanting someone to "know" yr experience would only be pan
determined if it included the option to "not know" as well. But in
Level 1A (Lvl 5) Dennis shows that the other forced self to know &
self was "overwhelmed" - this did not include any option to "know or
not know".
Do I understand correctly that the Pan Determined Postulate here is
"Forced to know"? Dennis stresses in the tape that it is very
important to know what the Pan Determined Postulates are in Level 5
hence why I am making sure I understand this correctly from the start.
PJ
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