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I see 2 milestones in self-insight.
First is to see how something has effected one. And thats why one sits
in the conditions currently that one is.
The next is to see which things happen because of what oneself has caused.
The states of a person are usually mixed.
There are things one is not even aware of being effect. Life just seems
to be like that.
Areas one knows that one is effect but has no idea how to become cause
over that.
And areas one has under control.
I for example sit here on planet earth and have no idea how come i am
bound to a body.
On the other hand, whatever i experience with people, i usually can
trace back to postulates i made out of fantasy, wishes or desires.
xriz
Am 22.06.2012 01:43, schrieb David M. Pelly:
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>
> "Calling a victim aberrated is an easy way to excuse the perpetrator
and pretend the injustice doesn't exist. If there was no pain or
injustice inflicted where does the aberration come from? Why not focus
on the abberration of the perpetrators, those who seek power by
limiting the power of others, often by inflicting pain and injustice?
Clearly, misogyny exists in their minds as well."
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>
I am not sure who wrote the above but ...in regards to:
the idea of perpetrator being the cause of problems....
is in contradiction to Dennis' and Hubbard's doctrine..
which says the victim made all the decisions to be victimized.
I have been severely abused as a child and I have been told by every
scientologist and then by the data in TROM that I was to blame and
caused all my own suffering, all my own injustice.
In other words, I made all my own postulates to be abused.
So what are the facts????????????
I need to know the facts.
David
>
> Hi Glen
> TROM does not focus on others misbehavior because there is no
workable technology to get others to behave nicely.
>
> If i want to be a victim in a game it doesn't matter how many
criminals i change into nice people I will find some one to be a
victim to.
>
> The solution to all misbehavior in this universe is for me to find
and timebreak all the games i am compulsively playing and stop playing
them. When i am free to not play a game i will not end up being a
victim of someone elses game.
>
> Changing me is something i can do. It is a fix for the problem which
is totally under my control.
> Changing others to make them nicer is not something i can do without
force and that then becomes an overt and puts me back into a
compulsive game.
>
> The idea of "doing unto others as you would have them do unto you"
is an idea that has been around for at least 2500 years yet we still
have people misbehaving. it is a failed proposition to try changing
others by telling them ot be nice or forcing them to be nice with law
enforcers.
>
> So Glen,
>
> Keep on TROMing
> Pete
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> On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Glen Strathy <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > It also exists in that Hubbard quote, and in the unspoken rules -
and sometimes written laws - of many societies. It is clearly visible
to people outside the culture, but invisible to most participants.
Hence, if you're inside it you don't believe it exists.
> >
> > I appreciate your point that some people can rise above those
rules and exercise more power than what the rules would normally
dictate for them, but individual exceptions do not negate what is normal.
> >
> > Calling a victim aberrated is an easy way to excuse the
perpetrator and pretend the injustice doesn't exist. If there was no
pain or injustice inflicted where does the aberration come from? Why
not focus on the abberration of the perpetrators, those who seek power
by limiting the power of others, often by inflicting pain and
injustice? Clearly, misogyny exists in their minds as well.
> >
> > On 6/20/2012 11:18 PM, David M. Pelly wrote:
> >> Misogyny only exists in the minds of aberrated women.
> >>
> >> And no where else.
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