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Hi Pete,
I agree with your point of view:
Responsible could be looked at as "response - able"
I found two TROM excerpts relating to the discussion on responsibility:
1. Blaming others:
"This is the dwindling spiral of ability of the being in the universe. (
After the loss of a game considered serious, the loser’s only recourse
is to blame the victor for overwhelming him. Thus, blame is the
assignment of responsibility for the outcome of a game, with an implied
wrongness."
And
2. Denying responsibility.
"Responsibility is the willingness to assume causation. A being can
assume causation for anything. The only liability to assuming causation
is to run the being out of games. The only liability to not assuming
causation is to give the being a surfeit of games. Thus, as games become
progressively more compulsive, the willingness to assume causation
(responsibility) is seen to lessen. Unwillingness to assume causation is
thus a measure of the compulsiveness to play games in a being."
Martin
On 24 June 2012 02:45, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
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Hi Martin
i agree. Some people consider themselves victims and some do not.
The question is "is the loser in a game " responsible for his condition because
he put himself in a game that he has now lost; or was he not playing any game and someone
came along and smacked him so the loser was made the effect of a game that he had zero
idea that he was involved in or playing.
i take the position that the loser always has chosen to play a game and
therefor has put himself at risk of losing.
example, i am walking along minding my own business when an asteroid slams into
the earth right on top of me. i chose to live this life time at this time when
there was a very small chance of an asteroid hit so i am a victim of the
asteroid because i chose to live here now.
second exampe. i chose to live this life at this time as an American. America
is running an empire that acquires great wealth by stealing it from the rest of
the world. i therefor am playing the game of american citizen benefiting from
this theft and by the other flow other people who are not amerian are looking
for ways to get even or steal from america and americans. there is a very real
chance that i will become the victim in this game as were the people in the
Twin Towers in 2001. if so it is my fault for playing this very dangerous game.
finally i take this point of view because i can only change what "I" do. i can make sure that i
pay people what i have agreed to pay and thus ensure that i am not playing a "to steal" game. I can
not join the military to avoid playing the game "do what we say or we'll will murder you". i can
audit all the games where i blame others for mistreating me. blame is a sad game and i don't want to be on
the recieving end of it. i also do not want to give anyone the power to hurt me which is the founding
principle of the blame game.
For these reasons i hold that i am the captain of my soul, i am the master of
my fate and i will find out what i am doing that undermines this principle and
correct it.
Sincerely
Pete
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On Jun 23, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Martin Foster<[email protected]> wrote:
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On 23 June 2012 01:48, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
I can't speak for all other trommers or scientologists since i haven't polled
them on their individual views.
How do you feel about victims. Are they responsible for their state or
blameless?
Hi Pete,
I think one should look at "victims" in terms of occurrence.
The term "Victim" used disparagingly means someone who is using his status to
obtain sympathy and reward.
In "WAR" we have victors and vanquished. In lesser games we speak of winners
and losers.
BUT the vanquished or losers do not necessarily see themselves as "victims"
They only become "victims" when they assume that identity.
Regards,
Martin
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