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> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:28:22 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Perpetrators and victims and responsibility. > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi David, > > Answers interspersed below: > > On 24 June 2012 12:18, David M. Pelly wrote: > > Re: your posts of Dennis' quotes: > > Are Dennis' quotes ( teachings or viewpoint) the be all and end all > > on the subject? > > > Absolutely NOT. I think that dismantling the mind is a method to attain > the goal of being cause over mind and thereby becoming metaphorically > speaking more spiritual. Many other methods are available and useful. > > These vary from knowledge of the Chakra's, meditation and the practice > of "telekinesis" to Remote viewing and Astral projection or Out of body > experiences. > The Monroe institute for example use sound (hemisink and binaural beats) > to still loud thoughts chattering away in the mind to go out of body. Martin, The goal of Dainetics, scientology processing, and TROM and other scn related techniques, is to clear the mind. That means to clear it permanently. Please explain how knowledge of the chakras, meditation, telekinesis, remote viewing and astral projection, and hemisync binaural beats will or in any way can "clear" the mind. David > > My preferences are those systems in which one applies a degree of logic. > I have looked at a few which propose only "awareness" - that is; being > aware of one's own awareness. Too many trite answers?? > > I am a bit obsessed with OOBE and or exteriorization which I feel is the > only true spirituality. > > TROM is the only method which seems to have no vested interest in > dismantling or becoming cause over mind. > > > First you have to use reason and ask is it true? > > > > If so, how true? > > The proof at present is subjective and cannot be tested by physical > universe means. When I can use telekinetic energy to influence physical > objects - I think I'll have proven something - if only to myself. > > > Does it solve all the problems of the subject? > > I think this depends on how you define the subject. If you mean the mind > (sequential facsimiles influencing the being) - Yes, then I think TROM > is a method, but not the only method. > > But I have the notion that one can somehow minimize and escape the mind > by Astral projection and other methods of gaining a different perspective. > > > How well does it solve them, if it solves them? > > > > Is it absolute and complete? > > > > The same question has to be asked of Hubbard's viewpoints and any one > > else's on any subject? > > Hubbard used a team to develop Dianetics and unfortunately started > regarding himself as the oracle. What the team developed became very > useful and in my view the basic tech remains valid and workable. > > > The truth is not determined by authority. > > > > That means, that the truth is not determined because someone said so. > > > > The truth is also not determined by who wins an argument or by or via > > beliefs or opinions... > > > > The value of a datum is determined by how many problems it solves, and > > how well it solves them. > > Very true - It must be very difficult for those who have taken authority > as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. > > But what is the "truth"? For most it is an illusion they can bear to > live with. > > Best regards, > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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