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Sincerely Pete Sent from my iPad On Jun 24, 2012, at 3:07 AM, Martin Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Pete, > > I agree with your point of view: > > Responsible could be looked at as "response - able" > > I found two TROM excerpts relating to the discussion on responsibility: > > 1. Blaming others: > "This is the dwindling spiral of ability of the being in the universe. ( > After the loss of a game considered serious, the loser’s only recourse is to > blame the victor for overwhelming him. Thus, blame is the assignment of > responsibility for the outcome of a game, with an implied wrongness." > > And > 2. Denying responsibility. > "Responsibility is the willingness to assume causation. A being can assume > causation for anything. The only liability to assuming causation is to run > the being out of games. The only liability to not assuming causation is to > give the being a surfeit of games. Thus, as games become progressively more > compulsive, the willingness to assume causation (responsibility) is seen to > lessen. Unwillingness to assume causation is thus a measure of the > compulsiveness to play games in a being." > > Martin > > On 24 June 2012 02:45, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Hi Martin >> i agree. Some people consider themselves victims and some do not. >> >> The question is "is the loser in a game " responsible for his condition >> because he put himself in a game that he has now lost; or was he not playing >> any game and someone came along and smacked him so the loser was made the >> effect of a game that he had zero idea that he was involved in or playing. >> >> i take the position that the loser always has chosen to play a game and >> therefor has put himself at risk of losing. >> >> example, i am walking along minding my own business when an asteroid slams >> into the earth right on top of me. i chose to live this life time at this >> time when there was a very small chance of an asteroid hit so i am a victim >> of the asteroid because i chose to live here now. >> >> second exampe. i chose to live this life at this time as an American. >> America is running an empire that acquires great wealth by stealing it from >> the rest of the world. i therefor am playing the game of american citizen >> benefiting from this theft and by the other flow other people who are not >> amerian are looking for ways to get even or steal from america and >> americans. there is a very real chance that i will become the victim in >> this game as were the people in the Twin Towers in 2001. if so it is my >> fault for playing this very dangerous game. >> >> finally i take this point of view because i can only change what "I" do. i >> can make sure that i pay people what i have agreed to pay and thus ensure >> that i am not playing a "to steal" game. I can not join the military to >> avoid playing the game "do what we say or we'll will murder you". i can >> audit all the games where i blame others for mistreating me. blame is a sad >> game and i don't want to be on the recieving end of it. i also do not want >> to give anyone the power to hurt me which is the founding principle of the >> blame game. >> >> For these reasons i hold that i am the captain of my soul, i am the master >> of my fate and i will find out what i am doing that undermines this >> principle and correct it. >> >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 23, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Martin Foster<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> On 23 June 2012 01:48, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >>> >>>> I can't speak for all other trommers or scientologists since i haven't >>>> polled them on their individual views. >>>> >>>> How do you feel about victims. Are they responsible for their state or >>>> blameless? >>>> >>>> >>> Hi Pete, >>> >>> I think one should look at "victims" in terms of occurrence. >>> >>> The term "Victim" used disparagingly means someone who is using his status >>> to obtain sympathy and reward. >>> >>> In "WAR" we have victors and vanquished. In lesser games we speak of >>> winners and losers. >>> >>> BUT the vanquished or losers do not necessarily see themselves as "victims" >>> >>> They only become "victims" when they assume that identity. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5089 - Release Date: 06/23/12 >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
