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Please see 'Faith Health & Prosperity' edited
by Andrew Perriman. This is a report on 'Word of Faith' and 'Positive
Confession' Theologies.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: September 29, 2004 23:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the
Storm
John's response in brown.
In a message dated 9/27/2004 8:02:04 AM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
should Believers pray for God to do that?
No.
We already have a promise from God relating to our
circumstances. Rom 8:28.
Michael D: You've got to be
kidding!!! (to use an americanism). You've got to be!!! What kind of
fatalist are you? I am a fatalist for depending
on the power and wisdom of God as presented in Romans 8:28?? What God
are you serving? You know very well -- let's stick to the subject
shall we? When Jesus' own disciples failed to
exercise their faith in the face of adverse weather conditions,
Good try
but no cigar -- they failed to exercise their faith (trust) in the
ability of God Incarnate to provide and protect them. He did not say
chill out fellas, we will ride this storm out. He rebuked the storms and
then rebuked them for their unbelief. Both things rebuked were adverse to
their well-being, so He rebuked them both.
You really '...have not
because you ask not...' You talkin to me !!?? If
I shared with you what God has done for me in my lifetime, you would be
jealous. This apathy also betrays a lack of
appreciation for the way the god of this world prevails upon all that is
natural in this realm if we allow him. Satan has power over nothing
in my world. In terms of weather, it is God who makes the
rain Jesus
said what you allow on earth, is allowed in heaven, and what you forbid on
earth is forbidden in heaven. Earth is man's responsibility. Michael, this has
nothing to do with the weather. Why would you misapply this
biblical thought? You do not give references.
Perhaps you have not read these scriptures for a while. I assume
you are referencing Matt 18:18 -- a passage that assures
the disciples that their actions, will be in full agreement with the
Heavenly Desire. It is not that they will bind something but
that what they bind WILL HAVE ALREADY BEEN DECIDED in the spiritual
realm. The passage is not a predictor of future activity but a promise
that their decisions will be in line with the will of God.
The context has nothing to do with weather, by the way., but that is
apparently not important to you. correct me if I am
wrong. If you chose to get God
involved, we don't chose to get God involved - He is
involved. This is His earth, not Satan's. God is the
creator. He is the one who wound up the influences of natural
law. He is eager to be. If you chose not to,
but leave things to happenstance (which is really, enemy stance) then He
will let you. Those who belong to Jesus are His Body. We are his hands and
feet etc. If His body does not act, then His hands are tied. Can you
understand that??? I understand what you say, but
I will not believe without use of scripture -- don't forget, you
are dealing with a fundamentalist liberal
(me). That's His greatest problem... Listen to
this...
IF MY people... (the operative here is IF and
dependent on MY people.!!!) which are called by my name shall humble
themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then
will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their
land. Seems like His people aren't quite getting the message, won't you
say? II Chron 4:14 is addressed to the nation of
Israel. And it does not describe their authority over
nature. Rather, it pictures their options in terms of obedience as a
nation and GOD'S AUTHORITY OVER NATURE.
And yes Terry et al,
God created storms, but God in flesh also rebuked them. That tells us that
the things God created are manipulated by the enemy to try and destroy and
hinder God's purpose, else Jesus wouldn't have rebuked "God's creation".
Would He.
Does God
do anything on
earth without prayer from Believers?
Izzy
Almost everthing
-- if we are counting actual events.
Yeah, and the reason for that
is because He can't get His people to agree with Him through the media of
repentance, and prayer, and faith in His Word. Michael, you have a fully
developed theology including the very procedure for gaining control over the
weather. All without a single scriptural reference.
Amazing.
Most people would readily agree that "the Lord's
prayer" is inspired scripture. Would you, John? Do you notice, that
inspite of God's promise in Romans 8:28 Jesus said that we must pray for His
kingdom to come, and His will to be done??? Michael, Michael,
Michael -- I allow Romans 8:28 to stand as a promise to the
redeemed and incorporate it into my theological consideration.
You think just the opposite, piting one biblical thought against
another. I assure you there is nothing in "the Lord's prayer"
that conflicts with 8:28. And, I am not a fatalist because
I believe in the promises of God expressed in
scripture. And James said that we have not because we
ask not? Passivity is never GOd's approach. Can God give me a third
eye? I could use one right in the middle of the back
of my head so I could see who was a sneakin up on me. If I pray
with faith, take authority over my world, could I expect to find a Dodge
Magnum, hot orange with dark tinted windows in my driveway in the
morning. Or maybe I should just stick to having God keep the
outside temperature at 75? If not, why
not? He said that the kingdom of
heaven allows violence, and the violent take it by force. This sit back and
let God work it out business is not from the God of the Bible. In the
meantime people are losing a whole lot, while the firefighters sit in
headquarters looking on. How sad... I am not condemning anyone, but
recognising reality. I am incleded in this, myself...
John, a believer
????? Michael, I believe more than
you give me credit. God has presented Himself in my life on
several occasions. I call them visitations and when I share the
circumstance of each occasion, those who listen agree. God has
made Hiself known to me in undeniable terms. That does not make
me right about any particular point of view, but it does make me a
believer.
John
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