I think you nailed it if His words were only for those few, and common
sense says that He was. None of us has all those gifts.
Terry
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Well, late the other night I was studying mark 16:14-20. My purpose
was to contrast it with Romans 10:9-10. I wanted to make sure I
understood it correctly. I was reading it over the second or third
time when, without warning my perspective shifted, and I saw the
passage entirely differently than I did when I began reading it. I had
traditionally interpreted "he" as mankind", and "baptised" as water
baptism.
Many use verse 16 as a prooftext that water baptism is necessary for
salvation, and many use it as a prooftext that when one is saved and
baptised, one recvieves the fruit of the spirit. With my new insight,
those two concepts are no longer a question. They are not disproven,
either, but these verses no longer will support them as prooftexts of
those ideas.
As I read the verses, I focused on one of the main subjects of the
passage. Namely the unbelief of the 11 as expressed in v14. Can you
believe that? All that they had been through with Jesus, and some
still had unbelief. Jesus was about to entrust these men with
spreading the gospel and they still had unbelief! What if they still
had not believed at pentecost?
As I read it became apparent to me that while jesus was telling them
their commission to go into the world and preach the gospel. But, in
verse 16 he continues with his admonition, by 1) telling them that
they would be baptised (by the Holy Spirit), and what their state
would be IF they still unbeleived at that time!
In verse 17 he goes on to say that those that believed would receive
gifts to be used in spreading the gospel, and this is confirmed in
verse 20, which confirms that as they went out they had these gifts.
This is easily discerned in these verses (14-20) if, as you read it,
you allow every pronoun (he, them, they) to refer to the 11 (those to
whom this whole passage applies), and allow that the baptism he speaks
of is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that occurred at pentecost.
Perry
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is he?
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:53:56 -0500
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
John, thanks for responding. Jesus indeed spoke v. 16, but to whom
was Christ referring when he used "He"?
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My opinion, Perry, without a lot of pondering, based on what I see in
the NKJV. "He" is generic for any saint, any saved person who is
walking the walk, the narrow path that results in salvation for
those that endure to the end. It is in clear contrast to the next
"he" in that verse who will be condemned. I do not know the original
word used here for baptized, but I assume it means believers baptism,
immersion in water in obedience to God's command to show publicly
that you have denied self and will now follow Christ.
Now lay it on us. What has God, the Holy Spirit shown you?
Terry
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