Okay, Perry, I'll give it a go, even though I have not received any Ramah understanding I am sure. To me "He" who believes means "Whoever" believes. And come to think of it, and is "baptized" must mean in the Holy Spirit, rather than water, because the thief on the cross surely wasn't water baptized but he did have the Holy Spirit within to help him enter into understanding that Jesus was the true Son of God. So what has the Lord shown you? (I can't wait to hear) Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is he? John, thanks for responding. Jesus indeed spoke v. 16, but to whom was Christ referring when he used "He"? Any other TT'rs care to give thier insight to these questions? I know this does not appear to raise any controversy, so hasn't generated much interest, but where I am going with this may step on so many toes that it may become controversial. Of course, maybe everyone already understood this but me, and the Spirit was just bringing me up to speed! The reason that I am asking is that quite late the other night I had a stroke of insight into the meaning of v. 16 that was totally different than I previously understood. Did this come to me through the Spirit? Well, I DO pray often that the Spirit will give me insight into the Word of God, and that I will see and understand it correctly. I believe that is what happened to change my understanding of this verse. After coming to this new understanding, I gave it the "sleep on it" test, and it survived. upon re-reading the passage it still meant the same thing to me the next morning. A lot of people may disagree with me because it refutes a major proof-text used by many. (Not that their point may not be made elsewhere, but definitely not here in v. 16.) There is a secondary use of v 16-20 as another prooftext that also will be refuted. This is very rich indeed. I wanted to present this to my Christian peers on TT, to see what the consensus is. I want to hear from as many as have the time to read and give their understanding, then I will present it as I now understand it. If the spirit has indeed lead me into truth it will be interesting. Perry >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is he? >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:31:59 -0400 > >1. Christ >2. Water > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:35:41 -0700 >Subject: [TruthTalk] Who is he? > > >I have been studying Mark 16:14-20, and have two open questions for all TT >members. > >1. In verse 16, who is the antecedant to the pronoun "He" that starts out >that verse? >2. Again, in verse 16, what type of baptism is Jesus discussing here? > >Thanks, >Perry > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
