Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 4:59 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I'm strongly -1 on using the Avalon logging interface because this is something that belongs in Commons. There is no reason for Avalon to have *yet another logging interface* when commons-logging is available.Actually, the Avalon interface IIRC is older.I don't care who is older. Like everyone else around here, I care about where things live.
I care about making the correct design decisions.
It's of no help in trying to find a common solution, I have no cause to pursue other than solving this divide. I have already proposed to use the Commons Logging interface in the past, and it got voted down. In this perspective, by not wanting to address design concerns and pursuing a "I care about where things live" vision instead, you are not helping.It has not been reimplemented, rather the opposite, and your attitude is of no help.My attitude is of no help towards your cause. Of course it isn't. We are not agreeing on this topic. I love how you imply that because I'm disagreeing with you that I'm no help.
Anyway, I will propose again to our list that we use the Logger interface somehow in the new Avalon 5, or try somehow to reunite the scism.+1 Avalon should drop whatever duplicate logging interfaces it has and adopt commons-logging. The same should go for Turbine and every other Jakarta application out there.
Your opinion.
;-) I'm not pushing anything, it's not /my/ avalon stuff, and I don't want to get round anything.Remember though that the fact that commons strongly opposes anything that has even a remote hint about avalon framework really doesn't help.It does not help YOU! That isn't my problem. Don't think you can come around here and try to push your Avalon stuff on the people here as a way to get around the Commons project disagreeing with Avalon. That isn't my problem and I don't really care to get into those wars.
There are technical points that Avalon logging pursues that are missing from Commons Logging. And it's sensible that projects that use the Avalon framework use the Logging that is part of the framework, I don't see the "pushing" part you refer to.
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