on 11/2/2000 8:07 PM, "Justin Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why even bother trying to unify my FSF and ASF users under one license?
I agree. Why bother. The ASF license is perfectly acceptable to me.
> Gee, I don't know Jon. Hmm. Maybe because dual licensing sucks?
I agree dual licenses suck, so why don't you just use a single license (the
APL) like I have been telling you to do for the last 5 months? Duh.
> Right now WebMacro is accessible to more people than Velocity because
> GPL users are *unable* to use Velocity. Your license is restricting your
> user base, so don't tell me that it's a good license, since you've but
> yourselff off from being useful to companies like Red Hat, organizations
> like Debian, etc.
You are saying that people who use the GPL cannot use software under a BSD
license. That is not true at all and is another one of your blatant
propaganda lies. :-)
However, the reverse is true...people who use BSD cannot use GPL without the
risk of infecting their software with the GPL virus. It is that with which I
strongly disagree.
> Do you have any clear expression for that development philosophy difference?
> Currently WebMacro is following an Apache development model with a whole
> lot of developers. I am not even the major player anymore. I don't get
> you, Jon, you just spin these lies out and expect people to believe you.
That is because you finally were forced to either adopt to the ASF ways or
have your project completely die as everyone was going to move to Velocity.
I spent 5 months trying to convince you of this, but you refused to see the
light until you had no other choice.
Your personal development model does not reflect the Apache development
model at all and that is what scares me from even considering the use of
your software.
At any point you could do yet another irrational change and lock everything
down and kick everyone off your servers. At least with the ASF the software
is located at a third party where a psychopath who makes changes based on
what he is forced to do isn't in control of everything.
My suggestion to you would be to host WebMacro at SourceForge.net in order
to allow your users some confidence in you. Again, this will be yet another
obvious change that I have suggested to you.
> The ant integration is still there. It just happens not to work for me on
> several platforms. When you check WebMacro out you can check out either the
> ant version, or a version which builds using gmake. They're both intact,
> so again you're lying about it being removed.
It is not available in the distribution of WebMacro and thus does not exist
IMHO. You don't even have daily snapshots where it is available for
download. Of course, now I bet you will make them available...cause I told
you to.
FYI:
<http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-velocity/nightly/>
So, the only people who can use the Ant integration are people who pull
WebMacro from CVS. Many people cannot access CVS because they are restricted
by firewalls. Given that you don't even have daily snapshots available (or
even cvsweb access), it is impossible for some people to even get at that
source code.
I'm going to tell you this again (yes, I'm repeating myself from previous
emails I have sent to him), the "right" thing to do in this circumstance
would be to either patch the build code so that it works for you and
resolves your issues (you are the only person for which I have ever heard
Ant not working) or to make a distribution available so that people can
actually send you patches as well.
Again Justin, you just don't get it.
-jon
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