I know you both feel strongly about this, and I don't mean to minimize
that, but would you please take it offline?
Travis
Jon Stevens wrote:
>
> on 11/2/2000 8:07 PM, "Justin Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Why even bother trying to unify my FSF and ASF users under one license?
>
> I agree. Why bother. The ASF license is perfectly acceptable to me.
>
> > Gee, I don't know Jon. Hmm. Maybe because dual licensing sucks?
>
> I agree dual licenses suck, so why don't you just use a single license (the
> APL) like I have been telling you to do for the last 5 months? Duh.
>
> > Right now WebMacro is accessible to more people than Velocity because
> > GPL users are *unable* to use Velocity. Your license is restricting your
> > user base, so don't tell me that it's a good license, since you've but
> > yourselff off from being useful to companies like Red Hat, organizations
> > like Debian, etc.
>
> You are saying that people who use the GPL cannot use software under a BSD
> license. That is not true at all and is another one of your blatant
> propaganda lies. :-)
>
> However, the reverse is true...people who use BSD cannot use GPL without the
> risk of infecting their software with the GPL virus. It is that with which I
> strongly disagree.
>
> > Do you have any clear expression for that development philosophy difference?
> > Currently WebMacro is following an Apache development model with a whole
> > lot of developers. I am not even the major player anymore. I don't get
> > you, Jon, you just spin these lies out and expect people to believe you.
>
> That is because you finally were forced to either adopt to the ASF ways or
> have your project completely die as everyone was going to move to Velocity.
> I spent 5 months trying to convince you of this, but you refused to see the
> light until you had no other choice.
>
> Your personal development model does not reflect the Apache development
> model at all and that is what scares me from even considering the use of
> your software.
>
> At any point you could do yet another irrational change and lock everything
> down and kick everyone off your servers. At least with the ASF the software
> is located at a third party where a psychopath who makes changes based on
> what he is forced to do isn't in control of everything.
>
> My suggestion to you would be to host WebMacro at SourceForge.net in order
> to allow your users some confidence in you. Again, this will be yet another
> obvious change that I have suggested to you.
>
> > The ant integration is still there. It just happens not to work for me on
> > several platforms. When you check WebMacro out you can check out either the
> > ant version, or a version which builds using gmake. They're both intact,
> > so again you're lying about it being removed.
>
> It is not available in the distribution of WebMacro and thus does not exist
> IMHO. You don't even have daily snapshots where it is available for
> download. Of course, now I bet you will make them available...cause I told
> you to.
>
> FYI:
>
> <http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-velocity/nightly/>
>
> So, the only people who can use the Ant integration are people who pull
> WebMacro from CVS. Many people cannot access CVS because they are restricted
> by firewalls. Given that you don't even have daily snapshots available (or
> even cvsweb access), it is impossible for some people to even get at that
> source code.
>
> I'm going to tell you this again (yes, I'm repeating myself from previous
> emails I have sent to him), the "right" thing to do in this circumstance
> would be to either patch the build code so that it works for you and
> resolves your issues (you are the only person for which I have ever heard
> Ant not working) or to make a distribution available so that people can
> actually send you patches as well.
>
> Again Justin, you just don't get it.
>
> -jon
>
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