I read the article again. I don't see where they talk about digital penetration of the vagina. Only of her mouth. He performed oral sex on her and that was consensual and the night continued from there.
On Jan 14, 2018, 8:38 PM, at 8:38 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:32 AM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >wrote: > >I should probably go through and read the post more carefully, but what >it >> looks like to me is that Ansari thought he was going to get laid and >when >> that got shut down he tried to see what he could get away with. What >was >> she expecting? >> > >********************** >I think she probably did not expect to get finger-fuc*** without her >permission. > >I have been married for 30 years, so its a long time since I was on a >first >date with a woman hoping to get laid. Perhaps I am forgetting the >difficulties. But I know it is not just in the last six months that I >have >been telling young men (including my 20 year old son), that you should >not >touch a woman’s genitals without clear, explicit permission. There is >probably more to good dating etiquette, but I think we can at least >start >there. > >THis story does read like both parties pretty much agree on the details >of >what happened, and have radically different interpretations of them. He >thought he was being charming and seductive and sophisticated, she >thought >he was being creepy and demanding and controlling. He is a famous >celebrity >in his 30s, she is a young woman in her early 20s. I believe that he >did >not have the understanding at all of “I am sexually assualting this >woman.” >I also believe he was coming horrifically close to doing so. > >If an adult man and adult woman are on a date, and she agrees to kiss, >and >after a while his hands slip inside her bra or panties, and he asks her >to >perform various sexual acts, this is probably not rape. At some point, >if >she says no, or stop, or moves his hand away, or says she wants to do >something else, and he persists, it is rape. I am not prepared to say >that >if the man tries the second time after the date first seemed willing, >then >seemed reluctant, that he should be arrested for rape, but the third or >fifth time, yeah, probably. > >I don’t know if Anzari is a rapist based on these reports, but he is >way to >close to it to continue to enjoy the same respect from me that he had >before. > >HHere is the Babe story (not sure if this version was originally posted >here) : https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355 > > >Here is Anzari’s statement in response ( >https://babe.net/2018/01/15/aziz-ansari-statement-28407): > >*“In September of last year, I met a woman at a party. We exchanged >numbers. We texted back and forth and eventually went on a date. We >went >out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, >which by all indications was completely consensual.* > >*"The next day, I got a text from her saying that although ‘it may have >seemed okay,’ upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable. It was >true >that everything did seem okay to me, so when I heard that it was not >the >case for her, I was surprised and concerned. I took her words to heart >and >responded privately after taking the time to process what she had >said.* > >*"I continue to support the movement that is happening in our culture. >It >is necessary and long overdue.” – Aziz Ansar* > > > > > > >> >> -- >Sent from Gmail Mobile > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to [email protected]. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
