And with this link, I'm done wasting time on this. http://www.businessinsider.com/aziz-ansari-writer-email-to-hln-ashleigh-banfield-2018-1
The woman who wrote the story is a child. Not only is she a bad writer, she lacks life experience. I hope as she matures and grows (and lives) that she will go on to great things. Right now, she's just another click-bait pretender, and I can't be bothered with her anymore. If a better writer/journalist picks up the ball of the Ansari story, maybe I'll revisit this, but I suspect that no better writer/journalist would touch this story or try to ascribe it to part of the #metoo movement. I wish the woman who dated Ansari well. I wish Ansari well. I wish Katie Way well. And I wish I never hear anything about any of them ever again. On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 7:30 AM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > I am getting a ton of feedback on this particular issue (I posted a longer > and more nuanced take in a few other places), and it is all over the map; > men who agree with me, women who don’t (and the opposites) - and in many > cases agreeing and disagreeing for reasons different than the ones I gave. > I think that means this is a liminal case, illustrating the border between > a “bad date” and “sexual assault”. > > For me, this reinforces my initially tentative conclusion that we probably > should not imprison men who behave like Ansari, or even fire them from > their jobs. But we probably should shame them - that is hold them > publically accountable for bad behavior. > > I also think that if as a culture we can get to the point where we can > condemn with serious negative social consequences bad sexual behavior > without having to criminalize all of it, we would have taken another step > forward. > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:27 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Another woman's perspective from NY Times op-ed writer Bari Weiss >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari- >> babe-sexual-harassment.html >> >> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:12 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I genuinely didn't know Ashleigh Banfield was still on TV. Anyway, >>> here's her take on Ansari's accuser. I won't claim she speaks for all >>> women, but I do think her views fall in line with the women I've spoken >>> about this with, and with what we have been talking about in this thread. >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/AshleighBanfield/videos/10155975073519757/ >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Right, as I say, I don’t think we have any basis for talking about this >>>> as a criminal act (though I am aware those who have opined so far on this >>>> list identify as men). If I read tomorrow that Anzari has been banned from >>>> Netflix over this I will be troubled. But that does not mean the >>>> interaction described amounts to nothing. I am willing to take the specfics >>>> reported on their face, because I think they are consistent with two >>>> different interpretations of the date - consistent with the perspective of >>>> a man and a woman. One perspective is of a guy willing to use his position >>>> and power to get sex from a woman without the bother of a long term >>>> relationship, the other of a woman thinking she was exploring the >>>> possibility of a real relationship and finding the guy was only interested >>>> in sex. This is not news, it happens on the time. It happens enough that it >>>> is worth coming to some consensus on how to avoid the kind of >>>> “misunderstanding” Ansari thinks happened here. If you want to have sex >>>> with a woman, ask before touching her genitals. If you think you had >>>> implicit permission to touch her genitals, and she lets you know she does >>>> not want it, then stop. Once she lets you know she doesnt want it, the fact >>>> that she does not run screaming from the room, or call the police, should >>>> not be interpreted as tacit permission to try again. >>>> >>>> While there may be occasional, genuine misunderstandings, it really is >>>> not that difficult to work this out. WIthout knowing more (and it could be >>>> better or worse than it now seems), I would say Ansari;s behavior is >>>> somewhat less than that of a rapist, but somewhat short too of the behavior >>>> of a gentleman. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The writer of the article, one Katie Way, has quite an assortment of >>>>> headlines with her byline attached to them. Here are the most recent four: >>>>> >>>>> -- QUIZ: Plan your ideal 2018, and we’ll tell you what your makeup >>>>> aesthetic is >>>>> >>>>> -- God, sobriety, Mario Kart: Just a list of things we’ve pretended to >>>>> like to impress a crush >>>>> >>>>> -- Am I high as shit, or do these celebrities low-key look alike? >>>>> >>>>> -- Sorry, but Kendall Jenner can’t model for shit >>>>> >>>>> In the case of the article about Ansari, I am uncomfortable even >>>>> discussing the details of what was written in the story, because the >>>>> writer >>>>> is not a journalist. Best case scenario, the writer took dictation or >>>>> transcribed what the alleged victim said (and I'm not sure the best case >>>>> scenario is what we are facing here). For "context" (those are sarcastic >>>>> air-quotes) the writer embedded video of Aziz Ansari doing stand up and >>>>> talk show appearances. Ansari's response didn't address any details, >>>>> merely >>>>> reiterated what he'd written in their texts, that he believed the sex to >>>>> be >>>>> consensual until he received a text wherein the woman said she was >>>>> uncomfortable after the fact. She did not directly accuse him of sexual >>>>> assault or abuse in those texts, and upon receiving what she texted, he >>>>> replied apologizing for any misread signals. This one doesn't seem to me >>>>> to >>>>> be a career killer for Ansari. She wished him well on his movie plans and >>>>> thanked him for the dinner. He apologized. I'm curious if there were any >>>>> additional texts (you know... CONTEXT), but absent details -- realizing >>>>> I'm >>>>> a male and my opinion will be regarded as penis-based -- this appears to >>>>> have been a date that ended badly and a guy who didn't act like a >>>>> gentleman. You can want to slap Aziz Ansari in the face for being a shitty >>>>> date, but I'm not sure what more we can take away from this one. Maybe if >>>>> the alleged victim's story had been told by a better writer I'd feel >>>>> differently. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:55 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is now trending on social media. I'm not defending Ansari; not >>>>>> personally a fan. But I've not heard of this blog before, and the victim >>>>>> isn't named, so -- despite the specificity of certain details -- I'm not >>>>>> sure how much credence to give to this allegation. I know, I know, as a >>>>>> dude I'm an asshole for even suggesting a sexual assault story might be >>>>>> made up -- I am not saying that. I'm saying the woman isn't named and the >>>>>> blog isn't known to me, so it is difficult to simply take it at face >>>>>> value. >>>>>> For all I know, the blog is hugely popular in social circles I don't >>>>>> travel >>>>>> in, the story was written by a Pulitzer prize winner, and the anonymous >>>>>> woman in question has a genuine story to tell and a genuine fear of >>>>>> reprisal causing her to go unnamed. I am willing to believe the anonymous >>>>>> victim, but I have trust issues in my own personal life, let alone with >>>>>> the >>>>>> words of strangers. I can't see or hear the woman with my own eyes and >>>>>> ears, and I don't know anything about the person who wrote the story. If >>>>>> somebody can tell me something about babe.net that will assure me of >>>>>> its credibility, please do so. Right now, I'm just shocked a story from >>>>>> an >>>>>> obscure blog is trending. Hawaii had a nuclear missile scare, but that >>>>>> isn't trending. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin M. 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