I genuinely didn't know Ashleigh Banfield was still on TV. Anyway, here's her take on Ansari's accuser. I won't claim she speaks for all women, but I do think her views fall in line with the women I've spoken about this with, and with what we have been talking about in this thread.
https://www.facebook.com/AshleighBanfield/videos/10155975073519757/ On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > Right, as I say, I don’t think we have any basis for talking about this as > a criminal act (though I am aware those who have opined so far on this list > identify as men). If I read tomorrow that Anzari has been banned from > Netflix over this I will be troubled. But that does not mean the > interaction described amounts to nothing. I am willing to take the specfics > reported on their face, because I think they are consistent with two > different interpretations of the date - consistent with the perspective of > a man and a woman. One perspective is of a guy willing to use his position > and power to get sex from a woman without the bother of a long term > relationship, the other of a woman thinking she was exploring the > possibility of a real relationship and finding the guy was only interested > in sex. This is not news, it happens on the time. It happens enough that it > is worth coming to some consensus on how to avoid the kind of > “misunderstanding” Ansari thinks happened here. If you want to have sex > with a woman, ask before touching her genitals. If you think you had > implicit permission to touch her genitals, and she lets you know she does > not want it, then stop. Once she lets you know she doesnt want it, the fact > that she does not run screaming from the room, or call the police, should > not be interpreted as tacit permission to try again. > > While there may be occasional, genuine misunderstandings, it really is not > that difficult to work this out. WIthout knowing more (and it could be > better or worse than it now seems), I would say Ansari;s behavior is > somewhat less than that of a rapist, but somewhat short too of the behavior > of a gentleman. > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The writer of the article, one Katie Way, has quite an assortment of >> headlines with her byline attached to them. Here are the most recent four: >> >> -- QUIZ: Plan your ideal 2018, and we’ll tell you what your makeup >> aesthetic is >> >> -- God, sobriety, Mario Kart: Just a list of things we’ve pretended to >> like to impress a crush >> >> -- Am I high as shit, or do these celebrities low-key look alike? >> >> -- Sorry, but Kendall Jenner can’t model for shit >> >> In the case of the article about Ansari, I am uncomfortable even >> discussing the details of what was written in the story, because the writer >> is not a journalist. Best case scenario, the writer took dictation or >> transcribed what the alleged victim said (and I'm not sure the best case >> scenario is what we are facing here). For "context" (those are sarcastic >> air-quotes) the writer embedded video of Aziz Ansari doing stand up and >> talk show appearances. Ansari's response didn't address any details, merely >> reiterated what he'd written in their texts, that he believed the sex to be >> consensual until he received a text wherein the woman said she was >> uncomfortable after the fact. She did not directly accuse him of sexual >> assault or abuse in those texts, and upon receiving what she texted, he >> replied apologizing for any misread signals. This one doesn't seem to me to >> be a career killer for Ansari. She wished him well on his movie plans and >> thanked him for the dinner. He apologized. I'm curious if there were any >> additional texts (you know... CONTEXT), but absent details -- realizing I'm >> a male and my opinion will be regarded as penis-based -- this appears to >> have been a date that ended badly and a guy who didn't act like a >> gentleman. You can want to slap Aziz Ansari in the face for being a shitty >> date, but I'm not sure what more we can take away from this one. Maybe if >> the alleged victim's story had been told by a better writer I'd feel >> differently. >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:55 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> This is now trending on social media. I'm not defending Ansari; not >>> personally a fan. But I've not heard of this blog before, and the victim >>> isn't named, so -- despite the specificity of certain details -- I'm not >>> sure how much credence to give to this allegation. I know, I know, as a >>> dude I'm an asshole for even suggesting a sexual assault story might be >>> made up -- I am not saying that. I'm saying the woman isn't named and the >>> blog isn't known to me, so it is difficult to simply take it at face value. >>> For all I know, the blog is hugely popular in social circles I don't travel >>> in, the story was written by a Pulitzer prize winner, and the anonymous >>> woman in question has a genuine story to tell and a genuine fear of >>> reprisal causing her to go unnamed. I am willing to believe the anonymous >>> victim, but I have trust issues in my own personal life, let alone with the >>> words of strangers. I can't see or hear the woman with my own eyes and >>> ears, and I don't know anything about the person who wrote the story. If >>> somebody can tell me something about babe.net that will assure me of >>> its credibility, please do so. Right now, I'm just shocked a story from an >>> obscure blog is trending. Hawaii had a nuclear missile scare, but that >>> isn't trending. >>> >>> https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355 >>> -- >>> Kevin M. 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