Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face? > LINK <https://youtu.be/ZX5MHNvjw7o> > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term >> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do >> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause >> a burden for others. This is not that. >> >> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the >> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing >> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in >> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts >> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the >> inherent racism. >> >> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up >> with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we >> used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is >> politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” >> everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is >> exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress >> in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite >> conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people >> have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were >> really fucking racist in those days.” >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case, >>> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I >>> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of >>> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put >>> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,. >>> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town >>> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in >>> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I >>> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I >>> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made. >>> But everyone was pretty mellow. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever. >>>> >>>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my >>>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group >>>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to >>>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My >>>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It >>>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have >>>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive. >>>> >>>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of >>>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were >>>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they >>>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have >>>> been contemplated. >>>> >>>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white. >>>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded >>>> my mostly white folks, no black face. >>>> >>>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If >>>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist >>>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help. >>>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not >>>> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say >>>>> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were >>>>> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists. >>>>> >>>>> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not >>>>> one of those things. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was >>>>>> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining >>>>>> town. I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college. >>>>>> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be >>>>>> where Kelly is lacking. >>>>>> I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman <ch...@neuman.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form >>>>>>>> of dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> I am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more >>>>>>>>> journalists of color and feminist journalists in order to get >>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>> points of view than my own reacting to events. The African-American >>>>>>>>> journalists I follow and the people they retweet all say that Megyn >>>>>>>>> Kelly >>>>>>>>> has a long history of racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> were getting when they hired her. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Kevin M. 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