Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face? LINK <https://youtu.be/ZX5MHNvjw7o>
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term > “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do > vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause > a burden for others. This is not that. > > Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the > observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing > Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in > itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts > tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the > inherent racism. > > If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with > what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used > Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly > incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would, > appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that. > I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress in blackface > without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite conversation. The > appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people have become so > sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were really fucking > racist in those days.” > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case, >> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I >> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of >> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put >> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,. >> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town >> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in >> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I >> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I >> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made. >> But everyone was pretty mellow. >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever. >>> >>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my >>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group >>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to >>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My >>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It >>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have >>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive. >>> >>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of >>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were >>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they >>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have >>> been contemplated. >>> >>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white. >>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded >>> my mostly white folks, no black face. >>> >>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If >>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist >>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help. >>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not >>> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say >>>> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were >>>> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists. >>>> >>>> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not >>>> one of those things. >>>> >>>> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was >>>>> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining >>>>> town. I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college. >>>>> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be >>>>> where Kelly is lacking. >>>>> I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form >>>>>>> of dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> I am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more >>>>>>>> journalists of color and feminist journalists in order to get different >>>>>>>> points of view than my own reacting to events. The African-American >>>>>>>> journalists I follow and the people they retweet all say that Megyn >>>>>>>> Kelly >>>>>>>> has a long history of racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they >>>>>>>> were getting when they hired her. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Kevin M. 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