Criticism does not extend to rewriting or enhancing, in whole or in part,
the author's original work.
You are free to quote from the original work, citing the source of that
original work.

I can't remember the last book, movie, or other critique stating in any way,
shape, or form "... this is how it could be better... John needs to die in
chapter 7, not chapter 3, by a gunshot wound... Mary needs more character
development in chapter 2". I do recall seeing criticisms that says "Mary's
character is weak and not very well developed until late in the book", and
"John's demise is untimely and unexpected".
  
You can certainly say that the documentation is lacking, and you can
certainly say that this area of the documentation needs clarification. As
soon as you start changing that which you are being critical of, you are
violating the author.

Bob Wyatt


-----Original Message-----
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 2:38 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


 Yes you've quite missed it.
The core value of your work has to BE the criticism.
If the point of your work is merely to repeat not criticize, then you don't
enjoy exemption.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Symeon Breen <syme...@gmail.com>
To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 11:33 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


I ve had an idea

Publish the whole of harry potter in a  book called "the critique of harry
potter", stick a few paragraphs at the end saying it's a childrens book ,
why do so many adults read it etc, then sell it for 1.99.

Or have I missed your point ;)


-----Original Message-----
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: 04 December 2011 18:48
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


 No you're not paying attention.
Below I have copied your entire message, and now I'm criticizing it.
I'm not claiming your message is MY message, that's the point of the
criticism.
I'm saying here is what he says, and here is what's right ;) So you are
mistaken in the believe that a person selling *this* email would be claiming
credit on it's contents.
The credit stays the same, I did not ask your permission to do it, I'm
copying your entire message for the purpose of criticizing it.
You can't sue me!
Well of course you can, because you can sue anyone for anything, but it
would be thrown out.
Just like a famous person suing over being parodied, criticism enjoys
copyright exception.


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Wyatt <bwyatt_...@comcast.net>
To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


Well. I'm not a copyright lawyer, and I'm not pretending to be.
If you do as you suggest and send it back to the author for suggested
improvements, I'm sure you're right - there is no violation, and you are
effectively seeking documentation enhancement or correction.
If you do as you suggest, do not send it back to the author or copyright
holder, publish it as your own, sell it as your own, post it as your own, or
otherwise take credit for authorship, I think that you would still be
wrong... I don't think that it is right or ethical to take 100% of someone
else's work, add a sentence or 4 or 5, and then represent it as your own.
The documentation shouldn't be any different than the solution that I or
anyone else in this forum may have created - just because you add a report
paragraph or program that my solution did not provide does not mean that you
can resell the entire solution as yours.

Nothing more to be said... we apparently agree to disagree.

-----Original Message-----
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:45 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


 You don't need permission if you're being critical.
So all you have to do is take a copy of it, and then as you're working
through it, criticize the lack of clarity and add the lacking clarity.
Perfectly legal under copyright law :)


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Wyatt <bwyatt_...@comcast.net>
To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


If I take Rocket's documentation on Resize and use it "as is" in a document
I intend to sell, post publicly, or take credit for having authored it, I
have violated their copyright; I require their permission to continue. If I
take Rocket's documentation on Resize and immaterially change it (change a
word here or there) and use it in a document I intend to sell, post, or take
credit for having authored it, I have violated their copyright; I require
their permission to continue. And kindly note that the copyright holder
differs, depending on the version covered by the documentation you have
used.

If I create documentation on how to use Resize without copying or
referencing the Rocket documentation, I don't need Rocket's permission. If
someone were to post a question in this group on how to use the Resize
command and I were to respond to it with a copy of the Resize documentation,
then my note needs to state that per the Rocket so-and-so manual, here is
the Resize command; I am not profiting from the use of Rocket's
documentation, and I have cited the source of the information. If I create
documentation for a solution (whether internal or external to my
organization) that states that my solution makes use of the Resize command
and only discusses the manner in which I use the command, then I do not need
the copyright or author's blessing.

If I were to take the documentation that Rex has created, use it as is but
add the clarity you seek, I need Rex's permission if it were copyrighted. If
it is not copyrighted, then as a fellow team member in this forum, it is not
only polite, but the right thing to do to offer Rex a collaborative effort
on improving his documentation. Rex is free to decline, in which case you
have three options:
        a)      Working from your own knowledge, create your own
documentation that offers the clarity you seek (which would be difficult, as
you seek clarity) and properly cite Rex's work
        b)      Work harder at understanding the features you seek to
utilize
        c)      Find another way to address your needs
Should Rex accept your offer of collaboration, then you hopefully achieve
the clarity you seek and the documentation may be improved.

It's more than being polite - it's being respectful of others work, and
about giving credit to whom (or where) it is due.

Bob Wyatt

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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 4:41 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


So you wouldn't create documentation on how to use the RESIZE verb without
the approval of... Rocket ?
That's a whole level of politeness that escapes me.
I only ask for approval when it's required.








-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Wyatt <bwyatt_...@comcast.net>
To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection


Will,
If the instructions were copyrighted, it would be.
nd I can say that when you work as a member of a team (and I think all of he
members in this group are a part of a team), it isn't regarded as
professional" or "classy" when one takes another's initial work and odifies,
alters, expands, or reduces it without consent and approval from he
originator.
fter all, why would documentation be any different than the end result of
our daily programming or solution-providing labor?
Bob Wyatt
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rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
ent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:19 PM
o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
ubject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection

hey are not clear enough.
ou can't step on anyone by giving instructions.  There's no copyright
reventing anyone else from making up other instructions.

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rom: John Thompson <jthompson...@gmail.com>
o: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
ent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 12:02 pm
ubject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection

ex does have some documentation on u2pipe, but, I have not looked at it in
hile.
 could write up the php/apache stuff pretty easy and make it nooby proof, T,
I haven't done that because it was not my idea, and I don't want to
llegally" step on Kevin.
owever, I did write up complete instructions on how to install Apache on IX
.3 if anyone needs that.
have to write things down because my limited brain power often forgets.
n Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:

The problem I see is that telling people that they could make free beer, s
quite different in practice from making free beer.
 I know that Tony feels like people should just get smarter, but I'm not he
only one who has pointed out that there simply are no good install anuals
for any of the various free options.  Yes there are installation
nstructions, but they quickly spiral off into the level of geek speak that
ou have to already know, in order to understand.  At which point most eople
give up.

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From: Symeon Breen <syme...@gmail.com>
To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection

The benefit of using any http server , iis, cassini, apache etc, is its ole
multiplexing functionality, which to do well is not trivial. Iis is so very
integrated into the OS, the whole http layer is in fact inside the , as
opposed to being an application on top of the os. So it makes sense  n any
ways.
And if you want to use .net (of which I am a big fan) and you don't have to
e linux then why use mono ? Contrary to what many people believe Visual
udio, .net, MS Sql are all free (as in beer) for development/small and dium
scale  deployment.
 ----Original Message-----
rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
ent: 02 December 2011 18:24
o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
ubject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection  For reference, t's
a widespread myth that you need IIS to do web services  r other website
ntegration with Windows.  That's simply not so.  IIS is an  pplication that
rovides many services including authentication, memory  anagement, process
llocation, routing, logging, and many others.  If "all  want is a pipe into
my daatabase" then you can easily run a Windows rvice that's listening to a
socket which will do whatever you want.  You st won't get all of those other
services.
Now, in response to not needing Windows Server, I try to avoid discussions
religion.  ;)  Seriously, if you like like the ASP.NET model, just not ndows
or Microsoft, look into Mono
FOSS) where you can run your code in Windows or Linux, just like Java.  Or
lightly more practical) run a Windows 7 or XP guest in a virtual machine er
Linux.  It's just another application, about 400MB of overhead, and ouldn't
require much maintenance unless you're doing other things with it.
f course these aren't solutions for the masses but for some sites these
lutions could be ideal in comparison with others.  YMMV  T
  From: John Thompson
 I do remember playing with this a few years ago, but, at the time I  wasn't
"smart" enough to make it work. I did like the fact that it did  not need
IIS, or Windows Server to work :)
  Rex Gozar wrote:
 > My u2pipe has been available on PickWiki since 2006.
 > If can be used with PHP, ColdFusion, ASP.NET, raw sockets, etc.
 > http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?U2pipe
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