Michael,
1) You are right - you MIGHT need JavaScript skills if you want to do anything
"special". If you copy/paste modify the following
VRE.doAction("CallU2");
substituting your own "action" as appropriate, you have mastered all the jScript you
need ! Hopefully you would agree that this is not too taxing ?! Beyond this,
JavaScript skills really are "optional extras"
2) All you have to do is ask for a price :-) There are a number of "options"
available, ranging from straight "per seat" models, through portal licensing (similar
to a Redback WebShare - no seat caps set) right through to enterprise licences (which
is "appealing" to larger VARs like Reynolds & Reynolds).
We have also "entertained" (stolen?) some other licensing variants for VARs (like the
Uniface "% of sale" model, even the "rent for life" model). We like to discuss needs
with potential VARs and users - and licensing is only one aspect of the "real cost" of
adoption with ANY product.
If you are serious about moving your applications into the 21st Century, Visage is the
most complete, feature rich product you will find, and if you operate on multiple
platforms then you will appreciate innovations like "snippet technology", which is
part of our overall drive to code reduction.
Give the guys at American Computer Technics a call for the full story, and to discuss
how we can help you achieve you goals!
3) We have offered a Viságe test drive facility for around 3 years now so that you can
"play" with the product. Give the guys @ ACTi a call for your test drive CD.
The test drive allows us to monitor what you are doing, and provide remote assistance
- we've even used it to give Board presentations 1/2 way around the world.
Once you graduate from the "public sandbox", if you still aren't 'sold' you can have
your own private area set up, loaded with your data OR you can get an eval loaded onto
your own systems.
Once more, our emphasis is on helping people to get the most out of Visage
BTW, we are SO CONFIDENT in Viságe that we also offer a 110% money back guarantee ! So
you REALLY CAN NOT LOOSE !
4) Refer to 2. Certainly one of the options available is the "per seat" licence model,
but perhaps the Portal is more appropriate for your needs ?
BTW, don't forget that even with the "per seat" models you can still be streets in
front when you factor in the savings of Database seat costs for new sites, OR the
ability to support higher user populations with existing sites
If you were impressed with the movies, they only tell part of the story!
The reason why Viságe LOOKED like an impressive product is because Viságe IS an
impressive product - and EVERYTHING is there in a single, unified product offering :
Full GUI screen designer with Drag'n'Drop dictionary integration, full use of existing
file structures & application logic (with REAL record locking so Viságe applications
can co-exist with your existing green screen applications), active dictionaries & code
reduction technologies, WYSIWYG printed form & report designer - Viságe even offers a
Data Warehouse/ Business Intelligence facility that puts dedicated, single purpose
products to shame !
Michael, I don't recall if you actually activated your test drive account back in
2002, but if you contact ACTi for a new one, you will see that we haven't been idle :-)
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Michael Spencer
>Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 3:12 AM
>To: U2 Users Discussion List
>Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>Last I looked at Visage, it:
>
>1) required javascript skills
>2) had no published price
>3) had no developer copy available
>4) had not only a developers cost but a "per seat" cost
>
>Apart from those 4 problems, however, the "movies" did make it look like
>an impressive product.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Will
>Sent: March 29, 2004 3:02 PM
>To: U2 Users Discussion List
>Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage!
>
>Patrick "Will" Williams, President
>American Computer Technics, Inc.
>919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David T. Meeks
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:37 AM
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>
> While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
> technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so.
>
> U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe
>they
> either have or are working on Web Services support (I know, for
>example, that
> the DSEngine in DataStage has support for Web Services).
>
> One could argue the need or purpose of supporting certain
>technologies, and
> the level of support currently within the products, but to say that
>there is
> "little/no" support is a bit uninformed.
>
> The U2 products ARE supported in certain "Integration" software. I
>wouldn't
> typically consider SAP/PeopleSoft "integration" software. They are
>Enterprise
> Software Suites, but not geared particularly at 'integration'.
>
> However, given that SAP and PeopleSoft OEM the DataStage product sets
> for both of their "integration" products (SAP's BW, PeopleSoft's EPM,
> JDEdwards stuff as well), and given DataStage works very well with
>both U2
> products, this point is actually wrong. People who have SAP or
>PeopleSoft
> solutions CAN, very easily, integrate their U2 data to/from those
>environments.
>
> As to 'efficiency', one can measure that in a variety of different
> dimensions.
> From a memory/disk space/footprint/administrative overhead
>dimensions, the
> U2 database products are VERY efficient.
>
> Finally, as to being "slow", again this depends on the measurement
>criteria
> being used. From the perspective of concurrent user access and the
>performance
> of application style DB usage (largely input/output, multiple
>concurrent
> users, etc..),
> the U2 products stand up very well to the mainstream guys. For
>support of
> VLDB,
> highly transactional query-based usage models, and the like, it does
>not.
>
> Trying to make the U2 products into what they are not is wrong. They
>are
> not the
> panacea for every database requirement. However, for certain
>problems,
> especially
> those for which it was designed (embedded database for application
> development),
> it is very efficient.
>
> Dave
>
> At 10:24 PM 3/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced
> >level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to Legacy
>DB2
> >that used ISAM type of DataBases Access. Even IBM has moved DB2 (Now
>UDB)
> >to a completly relational architecture.
> >
> >I belive some of the below are good reasons to Migrate to
> >MainStream (Top 3 - DB2/Oracle/MSSQL etc) Databases.
> >
> >1. UV has Little/NO support for Emerging
>Technologies(XML/XQuery/XSLT/WML etc)
> >2. UV is Not supported in Most Integration Enterprise Software
> >(SAP/PeopleSoft)
> >3. UV is Not efficient compared to highly evolved
>databases(DB2/Oracle)
> >4. UV Folks seem to use PICK, which is Not Compatible with many of
> > of the Current Advanced Technologies and Techniques.
> >5. UV is very SLOW, TOO Procedural and Not the right tool for
> > an OLTP Environment.
> >
> >It would be nice if IBM provided a Package to convert all UV Stuff to
> >IBM DB2 and perhaps provide some kinda code converter to convert
> >all pick stuff to DB2 Stored Procs or Java Native Compiled
>Procedures.
> >I belive this would be ideal and would help corportations intergrate
> >systems easily.
> >
> >Joe Eugene
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker
> >Sent: Sun 3/28/2004 7:59 PM
> >To: U2 Users Discussion List
> >Subject: RE: The lists are closing
> >
> >
> >
> >David,
> >
> >As the list is closing this is probably not off topic - so I will
>comment.
> >
> >I believe PICK has been around since the mid to late 1960's, whereas
>Oracle
> >and the SQL relation model has been around only since the mid to late
>1970's
> >early 1980's if you are talking about Oracle etc.
> >
> >I may be wrong.
> >
> >Phil Walker
> >+64 21 336294
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Behalf Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
> >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM
> >To: U2 Users Discussion List
> >Subject: RE: The lists are closing
> >
> >Best of luck Jeff, however I will point out the obvious, what is your
> >definition of modern? I would have thought the good old "relational
> >databases" have been around since before pick anyway? 8-)
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >David Logan
> >Database Administrator
> >HP Managed Services
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> >Adelaide 5000
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> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie
> >Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 8:03 AM
> >To: U2 Users Discussion List
> >Subject: RE: The lists are closing
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the memories Cliff :)
> >
> >Sorry to hear the lists are closing, but what the heck time and tide,
> >work committments etc.
> >
> >As some one who is shortly to be ex mv, and moving into the more
>modern
> >technologies l will decline the offer to join, but wish the site all
>the
> >best.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Jeff
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Moderator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 7:14 PM
> >To: U2 Users Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: The lists are closing
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends:
> >
> >After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the info-prime,
> >info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc lists, I
>have
> >decided to shut down the list server.
> >
> >u2-users and u2-community will cease to exist as of 1 April 2004. IBM
>is
> >
> >officially supporting the efforts of the new U2UG.org group. (Yes. I
>am
> >a member of the establishing Board of that group. So this is not a
> >"coup" or Sour Grapes!) If you check out the forums that have been
>set
> >up, I think you will will see that they cover everything anyone has
> >asked for over the years in this group.
> >
> >I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come over the the
> >www.u2ug.org site and support this effort. This is *exactly* what
>many
> >of you on this list have wanted over the years. If Not Now, When?
> >
> >Almost ten years on my Watch. How many years before that on Mike
> >O'Rear's Watch? In the Net World, this has been a Hell of a good run.
>(I
> >
> >just couldn't resist tripping the Net Nanny filters one last time
><very
> >evil grin>)
> >
> >I'll see all of you on the other media, ok?
> >
> >--
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Clif
> >
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> >W. Clifton Oliver, CCP
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