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On Dec 2, 2014 11:25 PM, "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What do companies like Jab and Wisper use?
Josh Reynolds wrote:
> As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to
build off
> of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types
couldn't be
> designed.
>
> Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt
discovery,
> whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for
groups of
> devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database
their is a
> /int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str
> pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be "snmp, ssh,
agent" and
> pollTemplate could be "ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik", etc.
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
> On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of
>> equipment out there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa,
Netonix, SAF,
>> Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it
seems like that
>> would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs*
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> Via Adam?
>>
>> Not likely.
>>
>> I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are
clean and
>> standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle
>> though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by
authenticating
>> initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using
the device
>> itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe,
it's been
>> awhile since I've looked into this).
>>
>> I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for
graphing and
>> everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and
things
>> like that.
>>
>> Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of
the config is
>> often jumbled from device to device and version to
version-- but it's
>> mostly the same.
>>
>> Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with
auth, load up
>> x devices per page, a basic search function, and some
sorts for
>> organizing CPEs per AP MAC.
>>
>> Scheduling would be nice eventually.
>>
>> This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more
complicated than
>> this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99.
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
>> On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It
already pulls
>> OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It
>> supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware
push system
>> into it.
>>
>> It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push
>> commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT
config file
>> format for the pulling and setup a method to push
configurations
>> back out?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> looks like we're going to have to come up with a third
party solution
>>
>> this sucks
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
<http://www.spitwspots.com>
>>
>> On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> And that's the problem here... If they want to
make a hosted
>> thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to
want,
>> that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement
for airControl.
>>
>> Just make something that the basic functions work
on (with
>> all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think
most of us
>> would be perfectly happy... I don't even care
about stuff
>> like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware
upgrades,
>> make configuration changes and monitor devices. It
doesn't
>> have to be all that complicated.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Mike Hammett
>> [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> With airCRM, airControl is dead.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported
all the
>> hardware they sell and if the AirGateway firmware
gets out of
>> Beta before the Cubs win the World Series.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
>> Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> true... I don't care if it's there either, but if
they for
>> some reason think the billing stuff needs to be
kept on their
>> servers where it's safe from our meddling, I'd be
perfectly
>> happy if they just cut it all out and let us have
the useful
>> part.
>>
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>> *From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Mike Hammett
>> [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> As long as they aren't dependent on each other
(which I
>> believe they already said), they don't have to remove
>> billing. Keep it there for all I care, just let me
install it
>> locally.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> It doesn't seem like it should be all that
complicated to
>> just remove the billing parts and let us have the
rest to run
>> on our own servers...
>>
>>
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>> *From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Mike Hammett
>> [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my
existing
>> on-net server and just not use the billing aspect.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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>> *From: *"Kees H" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product
works as
>> advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow
me to load
>> it on my server. That is all I ask for.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:*Daniel Peoples <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>
>> *To:*Ubiquiti Users Group
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at
least that's
>> what my wife tells me).
>>
>> What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab
at this,
>> and objectively judge the final product. They
might
>> accidentally get it right. At worst, when it
comes out of
>> beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if
enough folks
>> do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be
>> depreciated and the team that makes it will be
re-assigned.
>> Also, from the security standpoint I'm just
saying that
>> it won't be any more insecure than any other
solution,
>> just because it is a "cloud" based offering.
>>
>> Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as
>> "cambium could do it better", to which I was
just saying
>> YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional
financial
>> assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to
support it.
>>
>>
>> /Daniel Peoples/
>> Resonance Broadband
>>
>> /Resonancebroadband.com/
<http://Resonancebroadband.com>
>> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett
>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> You've completely lost me.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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>> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much.
>>
>> And actually, how much DOES cambium make off
those things?
>>
>>
>> /Daniel Peoples/
>> Resonance Broadband
>>
>> /Resonancebroadband.com/
<http://Resonancebroadband.com>
>> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett
>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> ePMP doesn't support what?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't
support this,
>> the 450 does.
>>
>>
>> /Daniel Peoples/
>> Resonance Broadband
>>
>> /Resonancebroadband.com/
<http://Resonancebroadband.com>
>> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett
>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500.
Completely
>> plausible to move over.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
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>>
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>> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
>>
>> Depending on the direction that the tool
takes, it could
>> be gold or a great big poo stain.
>>
>> If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2,
it will have
>> that initial spert of awesome that will taper
to nothing
>> in a year or two. It will eventually be stuck
by the
>> wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in
a $100
>> radio to support a tool like this.
>> Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this
better?
>> Sure, but they have ap's that cost 10 times as
much, and
>> SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they
can support
>> these tools.
>>
>> If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will
more than
>> likely mature into something that is MUCH
better than ac
>> 1 or 2 , and something that actually on the
billing side
>> approaches a real billing software and CPE
management
>> system.
>>
>> All of this said, I run AC1 for management and
swiftfox
>> for billing, the two programs both do exactly
what I want
>> from them, and that is ALL I want them to do.
If ubnt
>> makes a product that does both functions and
is around
>> the same price or even higher per cpe, then
hoo rah,
>> saves me complexity in billing and management.
>>
>> As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will
always have
>> more vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that
doesn't even
>> know where the internet is, but you have to
put your
>> billing system on the internet so that it can
process a
>> CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your
powercode
>> bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and
your entire
>> internet connection dies, because they have
you to route
>> the information through the hardware.
>>
>> BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't
even know
>> that ac1 exists passed me showing him stat
graphs, and he
>> couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie
all of that
>> stuff together to make the solid picture that
I do when I
>> look at all of the stuff together.
>>
>> I honestly don't see what all the nay saying
is about. If
>> they do it right, it will be a properly good
tool, if
>> they don't do it right, the adoption numbers
will tell
>> them that they did wrong.
>>
>>
>> /Daniel Peoples/
>> Resonance Broadband
>>
>> /Resonancebroadband.com/
<http://Resonancebroadband.com>
>> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you UBNT for treating your customers
like they are
>> just a bunch of
>> hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run
a business
>> and having the
>> proper tools to do that is essential. For
several years
>> we have been
>> told that Air Control is being active
developed, we have
>> programmers
>> working on it, etc.
>>
>> I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices)
and if it
>> wasn¹t for the few
>> piece of AC that worked it would have been a
nightmare
>> upgrading firmware,
>> and checking on the worst performing clients.
Sure, we
>> could have spent
>> countless hours on writing scripts,
integrating with 3rd
>> party tools, but
>> I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool,
make it work
>> at one point. I
>> can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta
Software.
>> Has anyone at
>> UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices?
Upgrading
>> firmware, making
>> changes, monitoring, etc.
>>
>> It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At
one point, we
>> were spending
>> 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I
realize margins
>> are thin,
>> marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if
my folks
>> spent less time
>> monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like
they could
>> put on more
>> customers. More customers means more revenue
for UBNT.
>> Not to mention
>> the fact that I am sure there are operators
out there who
>> would PAY for a
>> working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor!
Saving
>> labor means saving
>> money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons
products like
>> Observium and
>> Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I
would pay
>> money if it meant I
>> had less hassle.
>>
>> Cloud based for a network monitoring solution?
Really?
>> This is such a bad
>> idea. How many years will this product be in
Alpha or
>> Beta? I installed
>> the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It
worked? Because
>> it worked my
>> client is now sold on Cambium. They see that
its an
>> integrated solution.
>> Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks.
Not just
>> throw it out there.
>>
>> I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You
missed the
>> boat UBNT.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>> --
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