Changing passwords is a bit more complicated last I checked, but it was a few years ago.

The WebUI uses crypt() with a basic salt and is limited to 8 chars. Normal linux "passwd" can't generate those if I remember correctly.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 08:11 PM, Nicholas Sarakas wrote:
We use a few different things. For Ubiquiti firmware upgrades en masse, we use AirControl 2. We do end up doing a lot of manual upgrades when a field tech is on site or while the customer is on the phone with tech support. As for monitoring, we have our home-brewed NORM that pulls everything via SSH and monitors/graphs the basics (RSSI, Noise, AirMax Qual/Cap, SNR, & Rx/Tx Rates) as well as a pulling most of the basics such as LAN/WLAN stats into a table. Everything is stored so we can compare what a customer looked like last spring last spring when the trees were blooming vs this spring or see that their signal suddenly tanked 3 weeks ago around the time we change a frequency or a customer got a new router, etc. We try to keep our configs as basic as possible so that mass config changes are kept to a minimum. Since most anything can be done with SSH on Ubiquiti gear, if it came down to anything as simple as changing the password on all SMs, we'd use a Linux script that would bash (sorry for the pun, I couldn't help myself) away at everything. ;)

*Nicholas Sarakas
**Customer Care Technician*

*Wisper ISP, Inc.
*3680 Lebanon Ave. #101 Belleville, IL 62221
Phone: (618) 206-4190  Toll Free: (800) 765-7772  Fax: (888) 826-6018
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On 2 December 2014 at 23:00, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    they use powercode for upgrading devices, mass config changes, etc?

    If so that's cool, we've got a 25k procera box that arrived in our
    office yesterday and we're about to start our powercode migration
    next week! :)

    That said,we have a very functional IPOQUE DPI traffic shaper for
    sale if anybody wants one. prx5g

    josh reynolds :: chief information officer
    spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

    On 12/02/2014 07:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

    Jab has an old version of Powercode

    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373

    On Dec 2, 2014 11:25 PM, "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        What do companies like Jab and Wisper use?


        Josh Reynolds wrote:
        > As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to
        build off
        > of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types
        couldn't be
        > designed.
        >
        > Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt
        discovery,
        > whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for
        groups of
        > devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database
        their is a
        > /int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str
        > pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be "snmp, ssh,
        agent" and
        > pollTemplate could be "ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik", etc.
        > josh reynolds :: chief information officer
        > spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
        > On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
        >> My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of
        >> equipment out there...  UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa,
        Netonix, SAF,
        >> Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it
        seems like that
        >> would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs*
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> -----
        >> Mike Hammett
        >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
        >>
        
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
        ------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
        >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >> Via Adam?
        >>
        >> Not likely.
        >>
        >> I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are
        clean and
        >> standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle
        >> though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by
        authenticating
        >> initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using
        the device
        >> itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe,
        it's been
        >> awhile since I've looked into this).
        >>
        >> I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for
        graphing and
        >> everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and
        things
        >> like that.
        >>
        >> Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of
        the config is
        >> often jumbled from device to device and version to
        version-- but it's
        >> mostly the same.
        >>
        >> Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with
        auth, load up
        >> x devices per page, a basic search function, and some
        sorts for
        >> organizing CPEs per AP MAC.
        >>
        >> Scheduling would be nice eventually.
        >>
        >> This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more
        complicated than
        >> this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99.
        >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
        >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
        >> On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
        >>
        >>     Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It
        already pulls
        >>     OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It
        >>     supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware
        push system
        >>     into it.
        >>
        >>     It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push
        >>     commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT
        config file
        >>     format for the pulling and setup  a method to push
        configurations
        >>     back out?
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>     -----
        >>     Mike Hammett
        >>     Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>     *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>     *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>     *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM
        >>     *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>     looks like we're going to have to come up with a third
        party solution
        >>
        >>     this sucks
        >>
        >>     josh reynolds :: chief information officer
        >>     spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
        <http://www.spitwspots.com>
        >>
        >>     On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
        >>
        >>         And that's the problem here... If they want to
        make a hosted
        >>         thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to
        want,
        >>         that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement
        for airControl.
        >>
        >>         Just make something that the basic functions work
        on (with
        >>         all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think
        most of us
        >>         would be perfectly happy... I don't even care
        about stuff
        >>         like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware
        upgrades,
        >>         make configuration changes and monitor devices. It
        doesn't
        >>         have to be all that complicated.
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>         *From:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>         [[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Mike Hammett
        >>         [[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>]
        >>         *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM
        >>         *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
        >>         *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         With airCRM, airControl is dead.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>         -----
        >>         Mike Hammett
        >>         Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>         *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>         *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>         *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM
        >>         *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported
        all the
        >>         hardware they sell and if the AirGateway firmware
        gets out of
        >>         Beta before the Cubs win the World Series.
        >>
        >>         Rory
        >>
        >>         *From:*[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>         [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
        >>         Howard
        >>         *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM
        >>         *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
        >>         *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         true... I don't care if it's there either, but if
        they for
        >>         some reason think the billing stuff needs to be
        kept on their
        >>         servers where it's safe from our meddling, I'd be
        perfectly
        >>         happy if they just cut it all out and let us have
        the useful
        >>         part.
        >>
        >>
         
------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >>
        >>         *From:*[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>         [[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Mike Hammett
        >>         [[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>]
        >>         *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM
        >>         *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
        >>         *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         As long as they aren't dependent on each other
        (which I
        >>         believe they already said), they don't have to remove
        >>         billing. Keep it there for all I care, just let me
        install it
        >>         locally.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>         -----
        >>         Mike Hammett
        >>         Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >>
        >>         *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>         *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>         *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM
        >>         *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         It doesn't seem like it should be all that
        complicated to
        >>         just remove the billing parts and let us have the
        rest to run
        >>         on our own servers...
        >>
        >>
         
------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >>
        >>         *From:*[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>         [[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Mike Hammett
        >>         [[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>]
        >>         *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM
        >>         *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
        >>         *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my
        existing
        >>         on-net server and just not use the billing aspect.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>         -----
        >>         Mike Hammett
        >>         Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>
        >>         *From: *"Kees H" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>         *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>         *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM
        >>         *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>         
        >>
        >>         Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product
        works as
        >>         advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow
        me to load
        >>         it on my server.  That is all I ask for.
        >>
        >>             ----- Original Message -----
        >>
        >>             *From:*Daniel Peoples <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>
        >>             *To:*Ubiquiti Users Group
        <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        >>
        >>             *Sent:*Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM
        >>
        >>             *Subject:*Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>             Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at
        least that's
        >>             what my wife tells me).
        >>
        >>             What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab
        at this,
        >>             and objectively judge the final product. They
        might
        >>             accidentally get it right. At worst, when it
        comes out of
        >>             beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if
        enough folks
        >>             do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be
        >>             depreciated and the team that makes it will be
        re-assigned.
        >>             Also, from the security standpoint I'm just
        saying that
        >>             it won't be any more insecure than any other
        solution,
        >>             just because it is a "cloud" based offering.
        >>
        >>             Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as
        >>             "cambium could do it better", to which I was
        just saying
        >>             YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional
        financial
        >>             assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to
        support it.
        >>
        >>
        >>             /Daniel Peoples/
        >>             Resonance Broadband
        >>
        >>             /Resonancebroadband.com/
        <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
        >> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
        >>
        >>             On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett
        >>             <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
        >>
        >>             You've completely lost me.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>             -----
        >>             Mike Hammett
        >>             Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>
        >>             *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        >>             *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        >>             *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM
        >>
        >>
        >>             *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>             The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much.
        >>
        >>             And actually, how much DOES cambium make off
        those things?
        >>
        >>
        >>             /Daniel Peoples/
        >>             Resonance Broadband
        >>
        >>             /Resonancebroadband.com/
        <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
        >> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
        >>
        >>             On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett
        >>             <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
        >>
        >>             ePMP doesn't support what?
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>             -----
        >>             Mike Hammett
        >>             Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>
        >>             *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        >>             *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        >>             *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM
        >>
        >>
        >>             *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>             Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't
        support this,
        >>             the 450 does.
        >>
        >>
        >>             /Daniel Peoples/
        >>             Resonance Broadband
        >>
        >>             /Resonancebroadband.com/
        <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
        >> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
        >>
        >>             On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett
        >>             <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
        >>
        >>             Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500.
        Completely
        >>             plausible to move over.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>             -----
        >>             Mike Hammett
        >>             Intelligent Computing Solutions
        >> http://www.ics-il.com
        >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
        >>
        >>
         
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        >>
        >>             *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        >>             *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        >>             <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
        >>             *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
        >>             *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
        >>
        >>             Depending on the direction that the tool
        takes, it could
        >>             be gold or a great big poo stain.
        >>
        >>             If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2,
        it will have
        >>             that initial spert of awesome that will taper
        to nothing
        >>             in a year or two. It will eventually be stuck
        by the
        >>             wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in
        a $100
        >>             radio to support a tool like this.
        >>             Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this
        better?
        >>             Sure, but they have ap's that cost 10 times as
        much, and
        >>             SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they
        can support
        >>             these tools.
        >>
        >>             If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will
        more than
        >>             likely mature into something that is MUCH
        better than ac
        >>             1 or 2 , and something that actually on the
        billing side
        >>             approaches a real billing software and CPE
        management
        >>             system.
        >>
        >>             All of this said, I run AC1 for management and
        swiftfox
        >>             for billing, the two programs both do exactly
        what I want
        >>             from them, and that is ALL I want them to do.
        If ubnt
        >>             makes a product that does both functions and
        is around
        >>             the same price or even higher per cpe, then
        hoo rah,
        >>             saves me complexity in billing and management.
        >>
        >>             As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will
        always have
        >>             more vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that
        doesn't even
        >>             know where the internet is, but you have to
        put your
        >>             billing system on the internet so that it can
        process a
        >>             CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your
        powercode
        >>             bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and
        your entire
        >>             internet connection dies, because they have
        you to route
        >>             the information through the hardware.
        >>
        >>             BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't
        even know
        >>             that ac1 exists passed me showing him stat
        graphs, and he
        >>             couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie
        all of that
        >>             stuff together to make the solid picture that
        I do when I
        >>             look at all of the stuff together.
        >>
        >>             I honestly don't see what all the nay saying
        is about. If
        >>             they do it right, it will be a properly good
        tool, if
        >>             they don't do it right, the adoption numbers
        will tell
        >>             them that they did wrong.
        >>
        >>
        >>             /Daniel Peoples/
        >>             Resonance Broadband
        >>
        >>             /Resonancebroadband.com/
        <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
        >> 918-429-3620 <tel:918-429-3620>
        >>
        >>             On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson
        >>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
        >>
        >>             Thank you UBNT for treating your customers
        like they are
        >>             just a bunch of
        >>             hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run
        a business
        >>             and having the
        >>             proper tools to do that is essential.  For
        several years
        >>             we have been
        >>             told that Air Control is being active
        developed, we have
        >>             programmers
        >>             working on it, etc.
        >>
        >>             I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices)
        and if it
        >>             wasn¹t for the few
        >>             piece of AC that worked it would have been a
        nightmare
        >>             upgrading firmware,
        >>             and checking on the worst performing clients.
        Sure, we
        >>             could have spent
        >>             countless hours on writing scripts,
        integrating with 3rd
        >>             party tools, but
        >>             I shouldn¹t have to.  If you give me a tool,
        make it work
        >>             at one point.  I
        >>             can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta
        Software.
        >>             Has anyone at
        >>             UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices?
        Upgrading
        >>             firmware, making
        >>             changes, monitoring, etc.
        >>
        >>             It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At
        one point, we
        >>             were spending
        >>             20-30k a month buying UBNT products.  I
        realize margins
        >>             are thin,
        >>             marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if
        my folks
        >>             spent less time
        >>             monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like
        they could
        >>             put on more
        >>             customers. More customers means more revenue
        for UBNT.
        >>             Not to mention
        >>             the fact that I am sure there are operators
        out there who
        >>             would PAY for a
        >>             working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor!
        Saving
        >>             labor means saving
        >>             money!  That¹s a benefit. There are reasons
        products like
        >>             Observium and
        >>             Nagios which have paid and free Versions.  I
        would pay
        >>             money if it meant I
        >>             had less hassle.
        >>
        >>             Cloud based for a network monitoring solution?
        Really?
        >>             This is such a bad
        >>             idea. How many years will this product be in
        Alpha or
        >>             Beta?  I installed
        >>             the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It
        worked? Because
        >>             it worked my
        >>             client is now sold on Cambium.  They see that
        its an
        >>             integrated solution.
        >>             Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks.
        Not just
        >>             throw it out there.
        >>
        >>             I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You
        missed the
        >>             boat UBNT.
        >>
        >>             Justin
        >>
        >>
        >>             --
        >>             Justin Wilson <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>>
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        >> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com
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