It's not the same Powercode available to us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 3, 2014 12:01 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote:
> they use powercode for upgrading devices, mass config changes, etc? > > If so that's cool, we've got a 25k procera box that arrived in our office > yesterday and we're about to start our powercode migration next week! :) > > That said, we have a very functional IPOQUE DPI traffic shaper for sale > if anybody wants one. prx5g > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/02/2014 07:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Jab has an old version of Powercode > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Dec 2, 2014 11:25 PM, "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What do companies like Jab and Wisper use? >> >> >> Josh Reynolds wrote: >> > As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off >> > of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be >> > designed. >> > >> > Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, >> > whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of >> > devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database their is a >> > /int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str >> > pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be "snmp, ssh, agent" and >> > pollTemplate could be "ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik", etc. >> > josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> > spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com >> > On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of >> >> equipment out there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, >> >> Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that >> >> would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> >> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> Via Adam? >> >> >> >> Not likely. >> >> >> >> I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and >> >> standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle >> >> though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating >> >> initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device >> >> itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe, it's been >> >> awhile since I've looked into this). >> >> >> >> I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and >> >> everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things >> >> like that. >> >> >> >> Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is >> >> often jumbled from device to device and version to version-- but it's >> >> mostly the same. >> >> >> >> Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up >> >> x devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for >> >> organizing CPEs per AP MAC. >> >> >> >> Scheduling would be nice eventually. >> >> >> >> This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than >> >> this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99. >> >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com >> >> On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> >> >> Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls >> >> OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It >> >> supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push system >> >> into it. >> >> >> >> It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push >> >> commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file >> >> format for the pulling and setup a method to push configurations >> >> back out? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> >> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party >> solution >> >> >> >> this sucks >> >> >> >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com >> >> >> >> On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> >> >> And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted >> >> thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to want, >> >> that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement for airControl. >> >> >> >> Just make something that the basic functions work on (with >> >> all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us >> >> would be perfectly happy... I don't even care about stuff >> >> like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware upgrades, >> >> make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't >> >> have to be all that complicated. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] >> >> [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett >> >> [[email protected]] >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM >> >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> With airCRM, airControl is dead. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the >> >> hardware they sell and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of >> >> Beta before the Cubs win the World Series. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew >> >> Howard >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM >> >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for >> >> some reason think the billing stuff needs to be kept on their >> >> servers where it's safe from our meddling, I'd be perfectly >> >> happy if they just cut it all out and let us have the useful >> >> part. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> >> [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett >> >> [[email protected]] >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM >> >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I >> >> believe they already said), they don't have to remove >> >> billing. Keep it there for all I care, just let me install it >> >> locally. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to >> >> just remove the billing parts and let us have the rest to run >> >> on our own servers... >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> >> [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett >> >> [[email protected]] >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM >> >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing >> >> on-net server and just not use the billing aspect. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Kees H" <[email protected]> >> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as >> >> advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow me to load >> >> it on my server. That is all I ask for. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> *From:*Daniel Peoples <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> *To:*Ubiquiti Users Group <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> *Sent:*Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM >> >> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's >> >> what my wife tells me). >> >> >> >> What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, >> >> and objectively judge the final product. They might >> >> accidentally get it right. At worst, when it comes out of >> >> beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks >> >> do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be >> >> depreciated and the team that makes it will be re-assigned. >> >> Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that >> >> it won't be any more insecure than any other solution, >> >> just because it is a "cloud" based offering. >> >> >> >> Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as >> >> "cambium could do it better", to which I was just saying >> >> YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional financial >> >> assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it. >> >> >> >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> >> Resonance Broadband >> >> >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett >> >> <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> You've completely lost me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. >> >> >> >> And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? >> >> >> >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> >> Resonance Broadband >> >> >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett >> >> <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> ePMP doesn't support what? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, >> >> the 450 does. >> >> >> >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> >> Resonance Broadband >> >> >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett >> >> <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely >> >> plausible to move over. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could >> >> be gold or a great big poo stain. >> >> >> >> If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have >> >> that initial spert of awesome that will taper to nothing >> >> in a year or two. It will eventually be stuck by the >> >> wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 >> >> radio to support a tool like this. >> >> Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? >> >> Sure, but they have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and >> >> SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can support >> >> these tools. >> >> >> >> If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than >> >> likely mature into something that is MUCH better than ac >> >> 1 or 2 , and something that actually on the billing side >> >> approaches a real billing software and CPE management >> >> system. >> >> >> >> All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox >> >> for billing, the two programs both do exactly what I want >> >> from them, and that is ALL I want them to do. If ubnt >> >> makes a product that does both functions and is around >> >> the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, >> >> saves me complexity in billing and management. >> >> >> >> As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have >> >> more vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even >> >> know where the internet is, but you have to put your >> >> billing system on the internet so that it can process a >> >> CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your powercode >> >> bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire >> >> internet connection dies, because they have you to route >> >> the information through the hardware. >> >> >> >> BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know >> >> that ac1 exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he >> >> couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie all of that >> >> stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I >> >> look at all of the stuff together. >> >> >> >> I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If >> >> they do it right, it will be a properly good tool, if >> >> they don't do it right, the adoption numbers will tell >> >> them that they did wrong. >> >> >> >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> >> Resonance Broadband >> >> >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson >> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are >> >> just a bunch of >> >> hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business >> >> and having the >> >> proper tools to do that is essential. For several years >> >> we have been >> >> told that Air Control is being active developed, we have >> >> programmers >> >> working on it, etc. >> >> >> >> I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it >> >> wasn¹t for the few >> >> piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare >> >> upgrading firmware, >> >> and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we >> >> could have spent >> >> countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd >> >> party tools, but >> >> I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work >> >> at one point. I >> >> can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. >> >> Has anyone at >> >> UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading >> >> firmware, making >> >> changes, monitoring, etc. >> >> >> >> It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we >> >> were spending >> >> 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins >> >> are thin, >> >> marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks >> >> spent less time >> >> monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could >> >> put on more >> >> customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. >> >> Not to mention >> >> the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who >> >> would PAY for a >> >> working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving >> >> labor means saving >> >> money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like >> >> Observium and >> >> Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay >> >> money if it meant I >> >> had less hassle. >> >> >> >> Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? >> >> This is such a bad >> >> idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or >> >> Beta? I installed >> >> the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because >> >> it worked my >> >> client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an >> >> integrated solution. >> >> Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just >> >> throw it out there. >> >> >> >> I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the >> >> boat UBNT. >> >> >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Justin Wilson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/blog> >> >> Managed Services xISP Solutions Data Centers >> >> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com >> >> Podcast about xISP topics >> >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> Peering Transit Internet Exchange >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing > [email protected]http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >
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