You should never feel bad about asking questions!!! Questions are encouraged here and even uncertain answers are encouraged. One of the great things about AppFuse is the willingness of the community to help each other out. If you have any trouble understanding something please ask. Anyone who reads this list and who has already figured out that problem will try to help.
I suggest you just take your time [if you can]. Follow the tutorials closely and try to understand why things work as you go along. If you go through the tutorial a few times and read the books/documentation that have been recommended in this thread you should start to get it even if it takes a little while. Nathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "meisam4910" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 1:17:36 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundumentals Dear coleman I do take your advice serious but the thing is that i need to learn JEE as well, im not that far away from java and web applications, i have done a small jdbc applications for myself, and at least im familiar with some terms, but still have lot of problems with JSTL and tag libs which i found them very difficult to learn and scary to go for :( .anyways the reason i came after java web based frameworks was that i was learning little by little about web applications and jdbc connections, one day i was working at home, suddenly i saw an article (why re-inventing the wheel ?) it sounded very nice to me, it was about frameworks and the ready applications, i found myself stupid to build the entire web application from the scratch, i started to learn about the frameworks although it was so early to learn them, and i suppose it is still too early. fortunately people really helped me a lot here and in other frameworks forums, during last week i learned a lot of stuff, the problem is that i need to continue building my web application(Document management system), and i can`t ignore the sweetness and functionalities of the frameworks and JEE, thats why im disturbing people here a lot with a lot of questions and beginners questions(let me thank matt to be patient enough), and i want to build the application based on struts with eclipse IDE and help of appfuse. I will have a lot of questions and i know this forum is not suitable for me as a beginner and i apologize again for asking lot of beginners questions step b step during my learning,i really dun like the situation, i would like to go for JSP, servlets, then J2EE ,...first but i kind of like the appfuse and its functionlities and also struts, i really want to learn it and i know achieving this sounds very difficult by now. John Coleman-5 wrote: > > Meisam, > > I would recommend that you start with the JSP and servlet tutorials > rather than jumping right into the deep end. I admire that you have > taken such a plunge; there is so much to learn here that you head > will soon be spinning (if it's not already). Appfuse uses a number > of frameworks that are non-trivial for the beginning Java developer. > > I'd recommend that you skip the JEE stuff altogether, honestly. > Appfuse stays away from the overhead of requiring a full JEE app > server and I think you'll find that most developers who have been > exposed to open source Java frameworks would agree that's the best > strategy for a beginner. If you find you do need to go the JEE > route, none of the experience you gain by using Appfuse will have > gone to waste; JEE is moving in the direction of the lighter, better, > faster frameworks. > > You'd do well to pick up a few books, namely Spring in Action, Java > Persistence with Hibernate, anything written by Rod Johnson, and > "Better Builds With Maven 2." The Maven book is a free download. You > will find that your journey is initially like learning a foreign > language by moving to a foreign country. Don't give up and one day > you'll realize that you just "get it" and you aren't re-reading every > page again and again. > > Good luck, > > Coleman > > > On Oct 1, 2007, at 12:43 PM, meisam4910 wrote: > >> >> thank you and im fan of this website, its very good, have a look dude; >> www.roseindia.net >> >> >> Mike Horwitz wrote: >>> >>> I am a fan of the Sun tutorials. They are pretty comprehensive and >>> should >>> get you going reasonably quickly: >>> http://java.sun.com/javaee/reference/tutorials/ (pick the Java EE >>> version >>> appropriate for you). >>> >>> Mike. >>> >>> On 10/1/07, meisam4910 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> guys, can anybody suggest a powerful and comprehensive tutorial >>>> on J2EE >>>> kick >>>> start ? for example now when i want to start a project i see many >>>> things >>>> are >>>> inside the project such as, beans, xml files, sources,... i want >>>> to know >>>> the >>>> relationships between these elements, and how they communicate >>>> with each >>>> other ? i have read a lot about the J2EE, but still need to >>>> understand >>>> the >>>> structure of an web application directory, a common structure and >>>> essential >>>> things inside the directory. thank you. >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://www.nabble.com/J2EE-fundumentals- >>>> tf4549368s2369.html#a12982474 >>>> Sent from the AppFuse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/J2EE- >> fundumentals-tf4549368s2369.html#a12982823 >> Sent from the AppFuse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/J2EE-fundumentals-tf4549368s2369.html#a12986783 Sent from the AppFuse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
