Ron, On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Ron Chen wrote: > --- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Deegan <[email protected]> wrote: >> Should I share some of my income with them? > > You don't need to share some of your income with them, but you may want to > share some with Reuti, as he answered most of your Grid Engine questions on > this list, so he is indirectly providing services to your clients.
:) So true! Thanks Reuti! You make it to Silicon Valley there's some beverages waiting for you! That's the great thing about open source. We all help each other. I'm always on #scons helping out newbies (and not so newbies) there. > > -Ron > > P.S. I am just joking! :) -Bill > > >> >> I usually just spend time supporting and donating fixes >> back to them when I find them. >> (And writing tests for them, most people's least favorite >> things to do.). >> >> -Bill Deegan >> Founder >> Bad Dog Consulting >> >> On Sep 9, 2011, at 9:26 AM, LaoTsao wrote: >> >>> what i mean is that if someone else make $ of your >> code then you should get a share of $ >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D >>> >>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:25, LaoTsao <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> sorry it is me that mixup the copyright and >> copyright reassignment >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D >>>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:21, Ron Chen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> --- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Bryce <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Ron, >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest you take your 'tin foil hat off' >> Ron. >>>>> >>>>> Hmm, so you were claiming me starting a flame >> war. Guess who is doing it now? >>>>> >>>>> In other successful open source projects, >> there is transparency. With Univa not disclosing what is >> open and what is close, I don't think we can should continue >> this "working together" discussion or even bring it up again >> in the near future. >>>>> >>>>> -Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Initially we thought that we should ask >>>>>> people to assign copyright to Univa if >> they want to include >>>>>> fixes but we continued to discuss >> and we were >>>>>> discussing that if we do have copyright >> assignment that it >>>>>> be assigned to an 'independent 3rd party' >> i.e. not Univa but >>>>>> something that we all have a stake >> in. >>>>>> >>>>>> But you can believe what you want to >> believe Ron. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:44 AM, Ron Chen >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill, please stop misleading the list. >> This is EXACTLY >>>>>> this kind of tactics that I am against. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not talking about not putting >> copyright to my >>>>>> code (my code is under SISSL, and Univa >> Grid Engine has 10 >>>>>> features that were developed by me.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I was referring to is copyright >> reassignment. You >>>>>> have requested me to reassign the >> copyright of my code to >>>>>> Univa not long ago, I am suprised that you >> could mix up the >>>>>> two. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, William Bryce >> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I agree with Hung-Sheng, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You should put copyright on your >> code, and in >>>>>> regards to >>>>>>>> Ron's comments. I won't >> comment - Ron can >>>>>> have a flame >>>>>>>> war with himself :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:22 AM, >> LaoTsao wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IMHO, every code need copy >> right >>>>>>>>> especial someone else try to >> make $ out of >>>>>> your code >>>>>>>>> my 2c >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) >> Ph.D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:40, Ron >> Chen <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Mark >> Dixon <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm still a bit fuzzy >> on what >>>>>> differentiates >>>>>>>> the efforts, >>>>>>>>>>> and am concerned that >> the projects >>>>>> might not >>>>>>>> be pulling in a >>>>>>>>>>> common direction to >> benefit the >>>>>> community as a >>>>>>>> whole. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In fact our existance >> benefits the >>>>>> community -- >>>>>>>> did you know that we fixed the >> memory accounting >>>>>> bug on >>>>>>>> Linux in the Open Grid Scheduler >> back in Aug last >>>>>> year, and >>>>>>>> Son of Grid Engine copied our fix? >> And Univa Grid >>>>>> Engine >>>>>>>> 8.0.0 still has that bug *as of >> today*, and its >>>>>> customers >>>>>>>> need to wait for 8.0.1 to get a >> fix. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And I hightly doubt Univa >> would put as >>>>>> much effort >>>>>>>> as it is now and add the hwloc >> support into the >>>>>> open core if >>>>>>>> we did not announce our hwloc >> support back in >>>>>> April: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/projects/hwloc/GridEnginehwloc.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, I strongly believe >> that Univa will >>>>>> now put >>>>>>>> more effort in to get GPU >> integration, IPv6 >>>>>> support, SGI MPT >>>>>>>> integration, etc into the open >> core ASAP as we are >>>>>> working >>>>>>>> on those features in Open Grid >> Scheduler. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When there is no >> competition, most >>>>>> businesses tend >>>>>>>> not to work hard to gain market >> share - and I >>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>> Univa is different. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this what the >> steering committee >>>>>> was >>>>>>>> aiming to improve? >>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can see, >> there's been no >>>>>> news >>>>>>>> posted to >>>>>>>>>>> gridengine.org since >> February. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The page is old, and >> Stephen Dennis quited >>>>>> Univa >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to have >> a go at anyone, >>>>>> I think >>>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>>>>>> wants what is best for >> the community: >>>>>> I'm just >>>>>>>> hoping for a >>>>>>>>>>> bit more constructive >> discussion about >>>>>> what >>>>>>>> that might be >>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a tendency not to >> trust companies, >>>>>> as a lot >>>>>>>> of them are somewhat dishonest and >> lack of >>>>>> integrity in >>>>>>>> order to gain a customer or two. I >> have not >>>>>> totally written >>>>>>>> off Univa yet, but what Univa >> posted on the >>>>>> website about >>>>>>>> open source Grid Engine is not >> true (and the ones >>>>>> most piss >>>>>>>> me off are "UGE Wins Hands Down" >> & "Free Grid >>>>>> Engine >>>>>>>> isn't Free"?) -- so at this point >> working with >>>>>> Univa is out >>>>>>>> of the question. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And even outout the stupid >> market tactics, >>>>>> Univa >>>>>>>> is never clear what would be put >> in the open core >>>>>> and what >>>>>>>> is closed source. I am not signing >> the copy right >>>>>> assignment >>>>>>>> - they can continue to copy my >> code and feature as >>>>>> they >>>>>>>> wanted. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Ron >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> Mark Dixon >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email >> : >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> HPC/Grid Systems >> Support >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tel >> (int): 35429 >>>>>>>>>>> Information Systems >> Services >>>>>>>> Tel >>>>>>>>>>> (ext): +44(0)113 343 >> 5429 >>>>>>>>>>> University of Leeds, >> LS2 9JT, UK >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> users mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> users mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> users mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William Bryce | VP of Products >>>>>>>> Univa Corporation - 1001 >> Warrenville Road, Suite >>>>>> 100 Lisle, >>>>>>>> Il, 65032 USA >>>>>>>> Email [email protected] >>>>>>>> | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: >> 905.237.4462 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Bryce | VP of Products >>>>>> Univa Corporation - 1001 Warrenville Road, >> Suite 100 Lisle, >>>>>> Il, 65032 USA >>>>>> Email [email protected] >>>>>> | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: >> 905.237.4462 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
