--- On Sat, 9/10/11, "Hung-Sheng Tsao (Lao Tsao 老曹) Ph.D." <[email protected]> wrote: > What I should say is that when company include someone's > code then sale the product to make product money > this is very different (IMHO0 then just consulting > services)
Yup, which is why open source contributors don't constribute to open core projects -- I, for one, am not interested in helping companies selling open core Grid Engine and make money. -Ron > sorry again > > On 9/9/2011 1:53 PM, William Deegan wrote: > > LaoTsao, > > > > If you are using any open source software which has a > company behind it making (some) money off it (most do, > large, medium, or small), should you then also pay for the > features you use which they develop? > > > > It's not really in the spirit of open source to worry > about who's making money. > > I guarantee every open source project has some people > making money using it, supporting it,etc. > > > > Even the FSF says that it's o.k. for people to make > money supporting software, and getting paid to make > enhancements to it. They just think all source code should > be open. (As I understand it). > > > > In my consulting business I regularly use gcc, make, > scons, gridengine, bugzilla, python, perl, TCL, and a long > list of open source projects. > > > > Should I share some of my income with them? > > > > I usually just spend time supporting and donating > fixes back to them when I find them. > > (And writing tests for them, most people's least > favorite things to do.). > > > > -Bill Deegan > > Founder > > Bad Dog Consulting > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 9:26 AM, LaoTsao wrote: > > > >> what i mean is that if someone else make $ of your > code then you should get a share of $ > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D > >> > >> On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:25, LaoTsao<[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> sorry it is me that mixup the copyright and > copyright reassignment > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D > >>> > >>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:21, Ron Chen<[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> --- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Bryce<[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> Hi Ron, > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest you take your 'tin foil hat > off' Ron. > >>>> Hmm, so you were claiming me starting a > flame war. Guess who is doing it now? > >>>> > >>>> In other successful open source projects, > there is transparency. With Univa not disclosing what is > open and what is close, I don't think we can should continue > this "working together" discussion or even bring it up again > in the near future. > >>>> > >>>> -Ron > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Initially we thought that we should > ask > >>>>> people to assign copyright to Univa if > they want to include > >>>>> fixes but we continued to > discuss and we were > >>>>> discussing that if we do have > copyright assignment that it > >>>>> be assigned to an 'independent 3rd > party' i.e. not Univa but > >>>>> something that we all have a stake > in. > >>>>> > >>>>> But you can believe what you want to > believe Ron. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bill. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:44 AM, Ron Chen > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Bill, please stop misleading the > list. This is EXACTLY > >>>>> this kind of tactics that I am > against. > >>>>>> I am not talking about not putting > copyright to my > >>>>> code (my code is under SISSL, and > Univa Grid Engine has 10 > >>>>> features that were developed by me.) > >>>>>> What I was referring to is > copyright reassignment. You > >>>>> have requested me to reassign the > copyright of my code to > >>>>> Univa not long ago, I am suprised that > you could mix up the > >>>>> two. > >>>>>> -Ron > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, William > Bryce<[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I agree with Hung-Sheng, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You should put copyright on > your code, and in > >>>>> regards to > >>>>>>> Ron's comments. I won't > comment - Ron can > >>>>> have a flame > >>>>>>> war with himself :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bill. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:22 AM, > LaoTsao wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> IMHO, every code need copy > right > >>>>>>>> especial someone else try > to make $ out of > >>>>> your code > >>>>>>>> my 2c > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) > Ph.D > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:40, > Ron Chen<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, > Mark Dixon<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> I'm still a bit > fuzzy on what > >>>>> differentiates > >>>>>>> the efforts, > >>>>>>>>>> and am concerned > that the projects > >>>>> might not > >>>>>>> be pulling in a > >>>>>>>>>> common direction > to benefit the > >>>>> community as a > >>>>>>> whole. > >>>>>>>>> Mark, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In fact our existance > benefits the > >>>>> community -- > >>>>>>> did you know that we fixed the > memory accounting > >>>>> bug on > >>>>>>> Linux in the Open Grid > Scheduler back in Aug last > >>>>> year, and > >>>>>>> Son of Grid Engine copied our > fix? And Univa Grid > >>>>> Engine > >>>>>>> 8.0.0 still has that bug *as > of today*, and its > >>>>> customers > >>>>>>> need to wait for 8.0.1 to get > a fix. > >>>>>>>>> And I hightly doubt > Univa would put as > >>>>> much effort > >>>>>>> as it is now and add the hwloc > support into the > >>>>> open core if > >>>>>>> we did not announce our hwloc > support back in > >>>>> April: > >>>>>>>>> http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/projects/hwloc/GridEnginehwloc.html > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Also, I strongly > believe that Univa will > >>>>> now put > >>>>>>> more effort in to get GPU > integration, IPv6 > >>>>> support, SGI MPT > >>>>>>> integration, etc into the open > core ASAP as we are > >>>>> working > >>>>>>> on those features in Open Grid > Scheduler. > >>>>>>>>> When there is no > competition, most > >>>>> businesses tend > >>>>>>> not to work hard to gain > market share - and I > >>>>> don't think > >>>>>>> Univa is different. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Isn't this what > the steering committee > >>>>> was > >>>>>>> aiming to improve? > >>>>>>>>>> As far as I can > see, there's been no > >>>>> news > >>>>>>> posted to > >>>>>>>>>> gridengine.org > since February. > >>>>>>>>> The page is old, and > Stephen Dennis quited > >>>>> Univa > >>>>>>> as well. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to > have a go at anyone, > >>>>> I think > >>>>>>> everyone > >>>>>>>>>> wants what is best > for the community: > >>>>> I'm just > >>>>>>> hoping for a > >>>>>>>>>> bit more > constructive discussion about > >>>>> what > >>>>>>> that might be > >>>>>>>>>> :) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have a tendency not > to trust companies, > >>>>> as a lot > >>>>>>> of them are somewhat dishonest > and lack of > >>>>> integrity in > >>>>>>> order to gain a customer or > two. I have not > >>>>> totally written > >>>>>>> off Univa yet, but what Univa > posted on the > >>>>> website about > >>>>>>> open source Grid Engine is not > true (and the ones > >>>>> most piss > >>>>>>> me off are "UGE Wins Hands > Down"& "Free Grid > >>>>> Engine > >>>>>>> isn't Free"?) -- so at this > point working with > >>>>> Univa is out > >>>>>>> of the question. > >>>>>>>>> And even outout the > stupid market tactics, > >>>>> Univa > >>>>>>> is never clear what would be > put in the open core > >>>>> and what > >>>>>>> is closed source. I am not > signing the copy right > >>>>> assignment > >>>>>>> - they can continue to copy my > code and feature as > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> wanted. > >>>>>>>>> -Ron > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Mark > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>> Mark Dixon > >>>>>>> Email > : > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> HPC/Grid Systems > Support > >>>>>>>>>> Tel > (int): 35429 > >>>>>>>>>> Information > Systems Services > >>>>>>> Tel > >>>>>>>>>> (ext): +44(0)113 > 343 5429 > >>>>>>>>>> University of > Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> users mailing > list > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> users mailing list > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> users mailing list > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>>> William Bryce | VP of > Products > >>>>>>> Univa Corporation - 1001 > Warrenville Road, Suite > >>>>> 100 Lisle, > >>>>>>> Il, 65032 USA > >>>>>>> Email [email protected] > >>>>>>> | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | > Office: 905.237.4462 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> William Bryce | VP of Products > >>>>> Univa Corporation - 1001 Warrenville > Road, Suite 100 Lisle, > >>>>> Il, 65032 USA > >>>>> Email [email protected] > >>>>> | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: > 905.237.4462 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> users mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> _______________________________________________ > >> users mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
