--- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Deegan <[email protected]> wrote: > Should I share some of my income with them?
You don't need to share some of your income with them, but you may want to share some with Reuti, as he answered most of your Grid Engine questions on this list, so he is indirectly providing services to your clients. -Ron P.S. I am just joking! > > I usually just spend time supporting and donating fixes > back to them when I find them. > (And writing tests for them, most people's least favorite > things to do.). > > -Bill Deegan > Founder > Bad Dog Consulting > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 9:26 AM, LaoTsao wrote: > > > what i mean is that if someone else make $ of your > code then you should get a share of $ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:25, LaoTsao <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> sorry it is me that mixup the copyright and > copyright reassignment > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D > >> > >> On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:21, Ron Chen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> --- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Bryce <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> Hi Ron, > >>>> > >>>> I suggest you take your 'tin foil hat off' > Ron. > >>> > >>> Hmm, so you were claiming me starting a flame > war. Guess who is doing it now? > >>> > >>> In other successful open source projects, > there is transparency. With Univa not disclosing what is > open and what is close, I don't think we can should continue > this "working together" discussion or even bring it up again > in the near future. > >>> > >>> -Ron > >>> > >>> > >>>> Initially we thought that we should ask > >>>> people to assign copyright to Univa if > they want to include > >>>> fixes but we continued to discuss > and we were > >>>> discussing that if we do have copyright > assignment that it > >>>> be assigned to an 'independent 3rd party' > i.e. not Univa but > >>>> something that we all have a stake > in. > >>>> > >>>> But you can believe what you want to > believe Ron. > >>>> > >>>> Bill. > >>>> > >>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:44 AM, Ron Chen > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Bill, please stop misleading the list. > This is EXACTLY > >>>> this kind of tactics that I am against. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not talking about not putting > copyright to my > >>>> code (my code is under SISSL, and Univa > Grid Engine has 10 > >>>> features that were developed by me.) > >>>>> > >>>>> What I was referring to is copyright > reassignment. You > >>>> have requested me to reassign the > copyright of my code to > >>>> Univa not long ago, I am suprised that you > could mix up the > >>>> two. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Ron > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, William Bryce > <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> I agree with Hung-Sheng, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You should put copyright on your > code, and in > >>>> regards to > >>>>>> Ron's comments. I won't > comment - Ron can > >>>> have a flame > >>>>>> war with himself :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bill. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:22 AM, > LaoTsao wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> IMHO, every code need copy > right > >>>>>>> especial someone else try to > make $ out of > >>>> your code > >>>>>>> my 2c > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) > Ph.D > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:40, Ron > Chen <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Mark > Dixon <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I'm still a bit fuzzy > on what > >>>> differentiates > >>>>>> the efforts, > >>>>>>>>> and am concerned that > the projects > >>>> might not > >>>>>> be pulling in a > >>>>>>>>> common direction to > benefit the > >>>> community as a > >>>>>> whole. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mark, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In fact our existance > benefits the > >>>> community -- > >>>>>> did you know that we fixed the > memory accounting > >>>> bug on > >>>>>> Linux in the Open Grid Scheduler > back in Aug last > >>>> year, and > >>>>>> Son of Grid Engine copied our fix? > And Univa Grid > >>>> Engine > >>>>>> 8.0.0 still has that bug *as of > today*, and its > >>>> customers > >>>>>> need to wait for 8.0.1 to get a > fix. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And I hightly doubt Univa > would put as > >>>> much effort > >>>>>> as it is now and add the hwloc > support into the > >>>> open core if > >>>>>> we did not announce our hwloc > support back in > >>>> April: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/projects/hwloc/GridEnginehwloc.html > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Also, I strongly believe > that Univa will > >>>> now put > >>>>>> more effort in to get GPU > integration, IPv6 > >>>> support, SGI MPT > >>>>>> integration, etc into the open > core ASAP as we are > >>>> working > >>>>>> on those features in Open Grid > Scheduler. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> When there is no > competition, most > >>>> businesses tend > >>>>>> not to work hard to gain market > share - and I > >>>> don't think > >>>>>> Univa is different. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Isn't this what the > steering committee > >>>> was > >>>>>> aiming to improve? > >>>>>>>>> As far as I can see, > there's been no > >>>> news > >>>>>> posted to > >>>>>>>>> gridengine.org since > February. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The page is old, and > Stephen Dennis quited > >>>> Univa > >>>>>> as well. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to have > a go at anyone, > >>>> I think > >>>>>> everyone > >>>>>>>>> wants what is best for > the community: > >>>> I'm just > >>>>>> hoping for a > >>>>>>>>> bit more constructive > discussion about > >>>> what > >>>>>> that might be > >>>>>>>>> :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have a tendency not to > trust companies, > >>>> as a lot > >>>>>> of them are somewhat dishonest and > lack of > >>>> integrity in > >>>>>> order to gain a customer or two. I > have not > >>>> totally written > >>>>>> off Univa yet, but what Univa > posted on the > >>>> website about > >>>>>> open source Grid Engine is not > true (and the ones > >>>> most piss > >>>>>> me off are "UGE Wins Hands Down" > & "Free Grid > >>>> Engine > >>>>>> isn't Free"?) -- so at this point > working with > >>>> Univa is out > >>>>>> of the question. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And even outout the stupid > market tactics, > >>>> Univa > >>>>>> is never clear what would be put > in the open core > >>>> and what > >>>>>> is closed source. I am not signing > the copy right > >>>> assignment > >>>>>> - they can continue to copy my > code and feature as > >>>> they > >>>>>> wanted. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Ron > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Mark > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> Mark Dixon > > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Email > : > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> HPC/Grid Systems > Support > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tel > (int): 35429 > >>>>>>>>> Information Systems > Services > >>>>>> Tel > >>>>>>>>> (ext): +44(0)113 343 > 5429 > >>>>>>>>> University of Leeds, > LS2 9JT, UK > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> users mailing list > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> users mailing list > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> users mailing list > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>> > >>>>>> William Bryce | VP of Products > >>>>>> Univa Corporation - 1001 > Warrenville Road, Suite > >>>> 100 Lisle, > >>>>>> Il, 65032 USA > >>>>>> Email [email protected] > >>>>>> | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: > 905.237.4462 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> William Bryce | VP of Products > >>>> Univa Corporation - 1001 Warrenville Road, > Suite 100 Lisle, > >>>> Il, 65032 USA > >>>> Email [email protected] > >>>> | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: > 905.237.4462 > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> users mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
