Sorry, I understand people just doing consultant that help user to configure and use and install the product or just answer email questions
I do that also:-)What I should say is that when company include someone's code then sale the product to make product money
this is very different (IMHO0 then just consulting services) sorry again
On 9/9/2011 1:53 PM, William Deegan wrote:
LaoTsao, If you are using any open source software which has a company behind it making (some) money off it (most do, large, medium, or small), should you then also pay for the features you use which they develop? It's not really in the spirit of open source to worry about who's making money. I guarantee every open source project has some people making money using it, supporting it,etc. Even the FSF says that it's o.k. for people to make money supporting software, and getting paid to make enhancements to it. They just think all source code should be open. (As I understand it). In my consulting business I regularly use gcc, make, scons, gridengine, bugzilla, python, perl, TCL, and a long list of open source projects. Should I share some of my income with them? I usually just spend time supporting and donating fixes back to them when I find them. (And writing tests for them, most people's least favorite things to do.). -Bill Deegan Founder Bad Dog Consulting On Sep 9, 2011, at 9:26 AM, LaoTsao wrote:what i mean is that if someone else make $ of your code then you should get a share of $ Sent from my iPad Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:25, LaoTsao<[email protected]> wrote:sorry it is me that mixup the copyright and copyright reassignment Sent from my iPad Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:21, Ron Chen<[email protected]> wrote:--- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Bryce<[email protected]> wrote:Hi Ron, I suggest you take your 'tin foil hat off' Ron.Hmm, so you were claiming me starting a flame war. Guess who is doing it now? In other successful open source projects, there is transparency. With Univa not disclosing what is open and what is close, I don't think we can should continue this "working together" discussion or even bring it up again in the near future. -RonInitially we thought that we should ask people to assign copyright to Univa if they want to include fixes but we continued to discuss and we were discussing that if we do have copyright assignment that it be assigned to an 'independent 3rd party' i.e. not Univa but something that we all have a stake in. But you can believe what you want to believe Ron. Bill. On 2011-09-09, at 11:44 AM, Ron Chen wrote:Bill, please stop misleading the list. This is EXACTLYthis kind of tactics that I am against.I am not talking about not putting copyright to mycode (my code is under SISSL, and Univa Grid Engine has 10 features that were developed by me.)What I was referring to is copyright reassignment. Youhave requested me to reassign the copyright of my code to Univa not long ago, I am suprised that you could mix up the two.-Ron --- On Fri, 9/9/11, William Bryce<[email protected]>wrote:I agree with Hung-Sheng, You should put copyright on your code, and inregards toRon's comments. I won't comment - Ron canhave a flamewar with himself :-) Bill. On 2011-09-09, at 11:22 AM, LaoTsao wrote:IMHO, every code need copy right especial someone else try to make $ out ofyour codemy 2c Sent from my iPad Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:40, Ron Chen<[email protected]>wrote:--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Mark Dixon<[email protected]>wrote:I'm still a bit fuzzy on whatdifferentiatesthe efforts,and am concerned that the projectsmight notbe pulling in acommon direction to benefit thecommunity as awhole.Mark, In fact our existance benefits thecommunity --did you know that we fixed the memory accountingbug onLinux in the Open Grid Scheduler back in Aug lastyear, andSon of Grid Engine copied our fix? And Univa GridEngine8.0.0 still has that bug *as of today*, and itscustomersneed to wait for 8.0.1 to get a fix.And I hightly doubt Univa would put asmuch effortas it is now and add the hwloc support into theopen core ifwe did not announce our hwloc support back inApril:http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/projects/hwloc/GridEnginehwloc.html Also, I strongly believe that Univa willnow putmore effort in to get GPU integration, IPv6support, SGI MPTintegration, etc into the open core ASAP as we areworkingon those features in Open Grid Scheduler.When there is no competition, mostbusinesses tendnot to work hard to gain market share - and Idon't thinkUniva is different.Isn't this what the steering committeewasaiming to improve?As far as I can see, there's been nonewsposted togridengine.org since February.The page is old, and Stephen Dennis quitedUnivaas well.I'm not trying to have a go at anyone,I thinkeveryonewants what is best for the community:I'm justhoping for abit more constructive discussion aboutwhatthat might be:)I have a tendency not to trust companies,as a lotof them are somewhat dishonest and lack ofintegrity inorder to gain a customer or two. I have nottotally writtenoff Univa yet, but what Univa posted on thewebsite aboutopen source Grid Engine is not true (and the onesmost pissme off are "UGE Wins Hands Down"& "Free GridEngineisn't Free"?) -- so at this point working withUniva is outof the question.And even outout the stupid market tactics,Univais never clear what would be put in the open coreand whatis closed source. I am not signing the copy rightassignment- they can continue to copy my code and feature astheywanted.-RonMark -------------------------------------------------------------------Mark DixonEmail :[email protected] HPC/Grid Systems Support Tel (int): 35429 Information Systems ServicesTel(ext): +44(0)113 343 5429 University of Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK-----------------------------------------------------------------_______________________________________________users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users_______________________________________________users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users_______________________________________________users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/usersWilliam Bryce | VP of Products Univa Corporation - 1001 Warrenville Road, Suite100 Lisle,Il, 65032 USA Email [email protected] | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: 905.237.4462William Bryce | VP of Products Univa Corporation - 1001 Warrenville Road, Suite 100 Lisle, Il, 65032 USA Email [email protected] | Mobile: 512.751.8014 | Office: 905.237.4462_______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users_______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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