Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2009/05/12 2:45 PM Barbara Duprey wrote:
Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2009/05/11 7:46 PM Barbara Duprey wrote:
Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2009/05/11 7:04 AM Barbara Duprey wrote:
I don't use a sig per se, but it's interesting if you're not
seeing the unsubscribe trailer. I suspect that gmail has some
different processing that sometimes (but apparently not always)
discards the incoming trailer. Do you typically see it on other
messages? How about on this one?
He said Gmane, not gmail, to see the list as a newsgroup instead
of a mailing list.
Messages read through Gmane do not have the unsubscribe trailer
since Gmane uses a different process to allow users post messages.
To stop receiving messages you just delete
gmane.comp.openoffice.questions from your newgroup reader. There
is no unsubscribing process.
OK, so Gmane strips incoming unsubscribe trailers (always? only if
there's no true sig?) prior to posting to the newsgroup, where it
is not relevant.
The unsubscribe notice is never delivered by Gmane.
Thanks for clearing that up.
But I'm also interested in why posts coming to the list from some
accounts (I've noted users at gmail.com, as in H.S.'s case, and
aol.com) would somehow --at least sometimes -- keep our list server
from appending the trailer before posting to the list.
H.S isn't posting from gmail. He is posting through Gmane. You can
check by looking for these headers.
X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
Original-Sender: news <[email protected]>
His email address, as is mine, is at gmail. But the messages he
and I send to and receive from the list do not go through gmail. The
email address listed is irrelevant as far as our sending and
receiving messages from this list.
Yes, I understand (and have understood all along) that you are
posting to the newsgroup, and that you are reading from the
newsgroup. What I think I'm hearing here is that Gmane includes the
mail handling process on the gmail server, and there is no process
called "gmail" at all. No problem, I'll try to mind my terminology in
the future.
My gmail address is listed because it is the one I set up my Gmane
account with. The first time I post to a newsgroup on Gmane they send
my an email that I have to respond to before my message is posted. I
could have used any of my addresses, it did not have to be a gmail
one. Also if I cc an unsubscribed poster, that cc is sent through my
gmail account.
Also, if anybody tries to continue a discussion off-list with you,
that's where their message would go. Of course, you can ignore any such
attempts, many do.
In any event, that doesn't say why Gmane at least sometimes keeps our
list server from appending the unsubscribe trailer to messages it
receives for posting to the general audience, most of which is
getting emails. Apparently AOL also inhibits this, and maybe others.
How do they control this? Why do they?
Do you see the unsubscribe trailer on my posts to the list? Isn't the
trailer inserted by the list? Gmane shouldn't have anything to do with
it.
I think for the most part I do, but not always. Other people have in
the past remarked on the missing trailers.
After all, the typical user is subscribed and following the list as
email, not as a newsgroup, regardless of the origin of the message.
Such a user may need the unsubscribe info.
These Headers are always included. Any intelligent person can always
look in the headers to find this information.
list-help: <mailto:[email protected]>
list-unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]>
OK, so add expanded headers to the things that people don't see
and/or pay attention to. If they miss the other things on my earlier
list, they sure won't look for those! I guess, to you, that makes
them unintelligent. I'm not quite so ready to condemn them, I figure
they're just not familiar with how things like this work, and
everybody is a newbie at some point. Maybe not you, though! :-)
I was being a little facetious, but only a little. After all, they
received an email when they joined the list giving them the
unsubscribe information and which advised them to keep that email for
reference. There is a difference between being a newbie and just not
bothering to figure things out.
I agree that they have ample opportunities to learn how to unsubscribe,
and it would be very nice if they looked!
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