H.S. wrote:
Barbara Duprey wrote:
H.S. wrote:
I get Gene's signatures. But I do not get any signature with your
message. I am using Thunderbird and use Gmane to read/write mailing
lists. I am using a gmail address for all the mailing lists.
Finally, if I view my own messages, I do seen my own signature as well.
Do these observations shed any more light on this problem?
I don't use a sig per se, but it's interesting if you're not seeing the
unsubscribe trailer. I suspect that gmail has some different processing
that sometimes (but apparently not always) discards the incoming
trailer. Do you typically see it on other messages? How about on this one?
Nope. I don't think I have ever seen the instructions in this mailing list.
As I said earlier, note that though I am subscribed from my gmail
address, I view/post using the Gmane newsgroups. In other words, I read
and post through newsgroup server, not from an email client. Gmane
newsgroup server acts as an intermediary between me and the mailing list.
Understood. But it looks from the outside as if the overall process is:
* When you are first setting up to follow this list, you subscribe
via your personal gmail account, but see no list traffic on that
account (except maybe the confirmation email?). You also add the
newsgroup to your Gmane list of newsgroups to follow.
* You post to the newsgroup, initiating a thread or responding to a
newsgroup post.
* Gmane takes your post and sends a message via standard email
protocol to the list as "From" your gmail account, with the
"Sender" is identified as [email protected]. Apparently this email
generation is an internal process that doesn't involve gmail (as a
mail manager or server) at all. Right?
* Our list server receives the email. At this point, something
(always? sometimes?) inhibits it from appending the unsubscribe
trailer prior to posting it. How -- by checking the "Sender"
header? Apparently AOL is similar.Why interfere with this trailer,
since most recipients are receiving the email by the normal process?
* Messages are posted to the list. The list server generates emails
to the subscribed addresses, gmail and otherwise. Or does the list
server explicitly not send them to gmail (and similar) accounts?
That seems to require a coordination mechanism I wouldn't really
expect.
* If the emails are sent to your gmail account, Gmane apparently
intercepts and discards them without their being processed by the
gmail server at all, or perhaps gmail has a filter to discard them.
* Gmane apparently has its own subscription to the list and receives
a copy of the emails, since it creates only a single copy of the
message, stripping the unsubscribe trailer and creating a
newsgroup post for you and its other users of this newsgroup.
* If you decide to stop following the list, you remove it from your
Gmane newsgroup list but do not unsubscribe your gmail account.
Does Gmane unsubscribe you? If not, and the list server is
actually sending messages to you, that would seem to be wasteful
of resources.
I can understand why you subscribe your gmail account, so that your
posts don't go through the moderator. But it's confusing that apparently
Gmane users never personally unsubscribe their gmail accounts.
For curious, why do I used Gmane? Simply because I find the interface ofwhich
newsgroups clients much better at following conversions than the one
provided by gmail (and other free email services).
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