VACList-Digest Thursday, March 21, 2002 Issue 247
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Portable AC
2. Re: Leveling the hitch
3. Portable AC
4. Re: Portable AC
5. Re: Portable AC
6. Re: Portable AC
7. Argosy Dinette Wanted
8. PLEASE!!
9. Re:
10. Re: Hi There, Im new!
11. Re: Hi There, Im new!
12. Re: Portable AC
13. Re:
14. Re: Portable air conditioner
15. Uni Volt
16. Portable Air
17. Re: Uni Volt
18. Elks
19. Re: Uni Volt
20. I Need
21. I Need Advise on Bamboo Floor for
22. Re: Hi There, Im new!
23. I need advise on Bamboo Flooring
24. alterations
25. Re: Boondocking and cheap camping
26. Re: Boondocking and cheap camping
27. Re: alterations
28. Re: Cleaning out H20 heater
29. Re: Alterations
30. Re: alterations
31. Re: Portable AC
32. Re: Cleaning out H20 heater
33. Re: Fabric Swatches
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:50:32 -0500
From: Chris Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Portable AC
At 07:11 PM 3/20/02 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Chris. The AC pan is plastic and does not distribute any load. It's sole
>purpose is to collect the water, and direct to a a small outlet fitting.
Thanks, Andy- I had always understood that the pan had a dual
purpose, since DuoTherm has a kit for adding a drain that doesn't involve
adding a pan.
________
Chris Bryant
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:32:56 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Leveling the hitch
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Thomas, you tension the spring bars until the trailer is level again. =
Once you know how many links in the chain to drop (where to attach the =
spring bar chains) it's a lot easier to tighten and loosen the spring =
bars if you will fully extend the tongue jack lifting the front of the =
trailer. I think there's less chance of being injured with the tension =
off or reduced by jacking up the front of the trailer.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Subject: [VAC] Re: Leveling the hitch
Thanks for the info Mitch....that is exactly what I needed to know. =
The hitch is an EAZ-LIFT. It utilizes spring bars and a friction =
anti-sway bar that goes on the side of the hitch....good? bad? so-so? =
I have never had a hitch like this before. The previous owner helped me =
hook it up today when I towed it home. Man...I thought I would setting =
those spring bars. How much tension should go on those? I assume it is =
different with every vehicle. I could see me getting hurt one of these =
days. Also...on the anti-sway bar. How much do you tighten that puppy =
down? Thanks for the info!
Thomas LaVergne
'78 Ambassador
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:44:18 -0500
From: Jerry Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Portable AC
Hey guys. maybe I did not explain my problem sufficiently. When I said portable AC I
meant the ones that roll around on four wheels and have a hot air exhaust hose that
vents to the outside. Glen Link has one hooked up in one of his Airstreams. He has
takwhere the exhaust is vented. Glen are you there?? Lost your email address. I was
hoping you would chime in!? I don't plan to put a unit in the window. aaaaarrrrrgggg!!
And really don't like an unnatural hump on top of the vintage trailer either! Sorry
toanyway!
Jerry
(in GA ..wishing I was on the road with "Georgia On My Mind!)
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:04:20 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Portable AC
I have seen pictures of a small A/C unit mounted internally, i.e., not on the top
of the coach. It sat on the floor, under a dinette seat or something similar. It
was a very nice installation. IMHO, the clean Airstream look is not enhanced by
the addition of an A/C on the top, and this is particularly true of the smaller
coaches. I wish I could tell you where I saw it, but those brain cells seem to
have gone away...
Best regards,
Rik
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:06:00 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Portable AC
Chris, when I was at Walt's RV in Ocala a couple of weeks ago, Walt
mentioned that a pan is available now for the Coleman air conditioners. I
don't have one on my Tradewind but I wish the pans had been available when
this unit was installed by a previous owner.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 18:59
Subject: [VAC] Re: Portable AC
> At 12:23 AM 3/20/02 -0500, Jerry Jarrell wrote:
> >Thanks ya'll, for the input on the AC. I'm doing research on this now.
Chris
> >Bryant, I
> >thought someone on this list said that the roof on these older models
were
> >not braced
> >enough for an AC.
> <<..>>
>
> The only thing that I have heard is that the A/C should have a
> "pan" (which is only available for the DuoTherm Penguin A/C) to distribute
> the load over more area (plus provide a condensate drain).
> Other than that- I would certainly agree with Andy- I don't think
> Airstream ever added any support for roof top air conditioners- they have
> always been pretty strong.
>
>
> ________
>
> Chris Bryant
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:10:42 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Portable AC
> >thought someone on this list said that the roof on these older models
were not braced enough for an AC.
My 66 Safari has been topped by an air conditoner since it rolled out of the
factory.
Bob
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Message Number: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:11:12 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Argosy Dinette Wanted
I realize this is a real long shot... but would anyone out there in
Airstreamland happen to have a dinette from an Argosy or Airstream
motorhome? I have an Argosy, and the dinette has been removed in favor
of chairs and a table. But I like a dinette! Any help would be
appreciated.
Also -- does anyone have any Argosy motorhome brochures? I would like to
buy them, or possibly even a copy.
Best regards,
Rik
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Message Number: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:44:11 -0800
From: "Kathy Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLEASE!!
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Message Number: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:34:24 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
here's another:
Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.
Daisy.
Jeffrey Miller wrote:
>
>
> . Look how the sun plays on their graying hair as you
> pass them with barely a tap On the accelerator.
> Yes, I have some gray hair at the temples, yes I have a 27 foot
> Vintage Airstram..but like the Dodge commercials show America, I have
> a Durango 5.9L and I'll pass your sportscar if you start yakking on
> your cell phone. I've done it before ...not one of those ...
> Gray is a small price to pay for wisdom. Horsepower and driving skill
> will overcome fads and musclecar wannabe's anyday.
> Dr Jeff Miller (pushing 50 is my exercise program)
> 69 Overlander (the Avocado Pit)
> Durango 5.9L (will pass anything but a gas station)
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Message Number: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:08:35 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hi There, Im new!
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In a message dated 3/20/2002 3:19:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I know I am on the young side to
> be playing around with travel trailers but man this is fun!
Ed you can never be too young to be playing with trailers. Enjoy your
travels. If you are too young to drive I'm sure you can get someone to tow a
Vintage Airstream any where. J.L.Dietz #4361
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:29:40 -0800
From: gshippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hi There, Im new!
Ed, as the others have said you are never to young for airstreams, especially
old ones. I was intrigued by airstreams when I was seven years old and saw them
on the road to Yellowstone Park. Ironically the vary trailers I was looking at
as a kid were the same models as the 1966 and 62 which I now own! However yours
is a family heirloom...even more special! The best of luck to you. Gerald
Shippen
Ed Terry wrote:
> Hi there!
> My name is Edward Terry I am 23 and I am from Houston , Texas. I have
> recently inherited a vintage Airstream travel trailer and am having a
> wonderful time learning as much about it as possible. I plan on restoring it
> the best I can and am looking forward to meeting other people with the same
> interests as this new one I have found. As far as the trailer goes I
> inherited it from my great aunt and uncle, who traveled many places in it
> including from Texas to Alaska! I think the trailer is a 66 Safari
> California model Airstream. As far as I can tell trying to match other
> trailers that look like it. I am planning on taking pictures of the
> restoration process as I go along but I would be glad to send current
> photographs of it now to anyone interested. I know I am on the young side to
> be playing around with travel trailers but man this is fun! I am open to all
> suggestions concerning the restoration process, tips and tricks, and
> especially about plumbing and electrical. Thanks again and I am looking
> forward to hearing from all of you!
> -Edward
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Message Number: 12
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:28:45 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Portable AC
In an earlier post I said I didn't think that an A/C unit on the top of
an Airstream complimented the clean lines of the trailer -- particularly
true of the smaller ones. Take a look at eBay auction # 1814452093 for
a 17' Caravel -- a good example of what I was talking about. The A/C on
this neat little trailer is downright ugly!
Best regards,
Rik
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Message Number: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:07:43 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Stuart, I'm no authority but my opinion is that your redesign would reduce
the value of your stock original 56 Caravanner -- for some buyers. Maybe
most. However, you need only one buyer and that one might be someone who
would value the changes you propose making as much as you do. Finding a like
minded buyer might be the trick.
I have renovated my ' 68 Tradewind with all new appliances (fridge, water
heater, InteliPower converter, SeaLand toilet, plumbing fixtures, stove, and
the galley countertop and several bulkheads that were water damaged, Ambruso
drapes, and new floor coverings) but I have used the original colors,
materials, etc. to preserve the "original" look and feel of the trailer.
People with some knowledge of vintage Airstreams (Walt in Ocala most
recently) said it looks original.
I didn't have the option of keeping it truly original because the items I
replaced were not working or were no longer servicable. I have a 34 year old
trailer because that style appeals to me. I'm not a fanatic about absolute
originality as some are but I want it to continue looking like a 34 year old
Airstream the way it came from the factory. That's my philosophy. Yours may
be different.
Regards,
Jim Greene
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From: "Stuart Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 15:53
Subject: [VAC] Re:
> Recently acquired a '56 Caravanner and was surprised to find no shower
inside!
> hahahahaha...I've been discussing possibly making the front bed into a
double, the rear
> bed into a single and enlarging the bath to include a shower. This
airstream is in great
> shape. Exterior just needs polishing and minor window repair. Interior is
all original
> except carpet and drapes. I realize there is value in originality, but am
wondering if it
> is possible/practicle to make the mods I'm considering in a manner which
would ultimately
> support the value of this unit. Any sage advise????
>
> Stuart
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:44:51 -0600
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Portable air conditioner
Jerry:
Don't know anything about the Fedders, but you might also want to check out
the 9,000 BTU unit that Pelonis sells at www.pelonis.com. Pricey, but I've
used other products of theirs and have been very impressed with the
engineering and quality. How much for the fedders, By the way? I'm also
wondering of 6,500 BTU is a bit on the low side for an airstream, at least
if parked in the sun.
Dan Weeks
75 Argosy 26
Des Moines
12,000 BTU Armstrong Roof air, and glad of it!
> From: VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:30:31 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC]
>
> Subject: Portable air conditioner
>>
>> Hey All,
>> I am thinking seriously of buying a portable Fedders AC. It is rated 65-7000
>> BTU.
>> I can have the local Wal-Mart special order it for me. Question? Does anyone
>> have any
>> pros/cons about this brand? My 57 Overlander isn't structurally sound enough
>> to put an
>> AC on top so I plan to go the portable route. Thanks in advace.
>> Jerry
>> WBCCI & VAC
>> (a broke, skint/knuckled GA Boy with a partially polished silver AS that gets
>> longer
>> as I polish!!)
>>
>> -
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Message Number: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:59:09 -0500
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Uni Volt
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When I am plugged into to shore power does the uni volt re-charge my
battery?
Also, I have the blue Service Manual for my '78 Ambassador, was there any
other manual that would have come with this trailer or would that have been
it? Thanks.
Thomas
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Message Number: 16
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:59:29 -0600
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Portable Air
There are portables and there are portables. I think you folks are talking
about window air units. I'd agree with Andy here. But there are also
portable air units that are little appliances that just sit on the floor,
much like a dehumidifier. The one Pelonis sells (www.Pelonis.com) has a
flexible exhaust hose for the waste heat that you stick out a window with an
adaptor that comes with the machine. The condensation drains into a pan
which you empty periodically. I think these would be ideal for old coaches
with moderate cooling needs. You could secure them wherever you like for
towing, then wheel them to wherever you needed cooling when stopped. In a
large coach, this might mean cooling just the sleeping area at night. If I
had an old coach and didn't want to cut up the roof and lose the
aerodynamics and clearance as with roof air, I'd sure give one of these a
try. I've been very impressed with Pelonis products.
Dan
75 Argosy 26
> From: VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:30:31 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC]
>
> Subject: Re: Portable air conditioner
>
> A roof Ac can be mounted on the roof of old coaches. It should be placed
> slightly forward of the axles. Wiring and a drain line must be added.
> Mounting a portable in a window is OK if don't move the trailer. A portable
> will subtract tongue weight, and mounting it in front will add tongue weight.
> Mounting on either side makes the coach to wide to legally tow. Some owners
> of vintage trailers are looking for window frames. These frame were taken off
> so a window unit could be mounted. But now that the second or who knows how
> many owners that previously owned that trailer, no longer own it, then the
> question is "who has those frames?" Those frames are history. Additionally
> mounting a portable in the front or rear window requires support brackets
> that must be attached to the front or rear plate (the aluminum plate below
> the window) and those do not provide the structure for mounting AC brackets.
> End result with portables, is not good. Andy
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:34:35 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Uni Volt
Thomas. Two books were available. A service manual and an owners manual was
it. A univolt charges the trailer battery, when plugged into city power, IF,
it's working correctly, AND, all the fuses are OK. Andy
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Message Number: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:59:15 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Elks
on 03/19/02 12:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Chris,
> Thanks for the Elks link. I have it bookmarked. Wonder if anyone else
> has any juicy links listing free or reasonable camp sites.
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
Bob,
Here's a reply I wrote that may be useful to you. It doesn't have links but
it does provide a SMALL sample of what's out there, much of it for free or
for a few dollars. They can be found throughout the continent in all three
major countries. All it takes is attention to detail, organization and
planning, plus plenty of thought before action. If you are restoring an
Airstream, you already have those qualities.
Two days ago, we were at an Elks Lodge Campground in Florida where a member
was paying $3 a night for water, electric, dump station and home cooked
meals (fee) three nights a week. Bob, we aren't even trying to find these
places. But, we are attentive to what's around us, we read every brochure,
every booklet and we track down every hint of a possibility.
Good Luck,
Terry
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Hi ...,
The points raised by H... are important features. My take on having a
permanent spot is that those who rent a lot on a yearly basis are more
likely to stay on that lot and become "settlers" in their Airstream than
those who become "explorers" of the North American continent.
When it comes to costs, there are other considerations. For example:
2 - As H... said, those of us who use the Coast to Coast (CC) campground
membership system pay $6 per night at CC campgrounds. But, to become a
member requires buying a membership in one of the private campgrounds within
the system. That cost can vary widely depending on the private campground.
In addition to CC, there are other campground membership systems available,
each with their own unique characteristics (AOR, RPI, CCA, PA, etc., etc.).
2a - We know of RVers who paid $3,000 to join a CC park and a few who were
given a membership by RVer friends who no longer traveled. Frequently, there
are free memberships listed on campground bulletin boards and in Good Sam
magazines with the stipulation the buyer must take responsibility for the
annual dues and pay the legal transfer fee ($75). More often (every month),
we see "resale" memberships advertised in camping magazines at $500.
The advantage of buying a resale from a particular park is it becomes the
"home park" which means visits are not restricted to one week. Instead, the
park can be used more often. The exact rules vary but most allow nearly
unrestricted visits. Members who volunteer to help out in the home park get
even better options. If location is important, then search carefully.
2b - Secondly, when it comes to annual dues at the private campground, the
price ranges widely (less than $100 up to $1,000). Another wrinkle is some
dues are frozen for life while others are not. Mostly, we see dues between
$100 to $200 advertised as frozen for life. There are probably other
amounts, but they aren't heavily advertised.
2c - As a result of these costs and others (like being required to pay $1 a
day for cable whether wanted or not - or $0.50 per day for a site with a
concrete pad), the actual cost per night is always more than the $6 paid
each night, especially after figuring amortization in at five years.
2d - Several years ago, I kept track of every single penny spent within our
membership systems. After 1272 nights, our per night cost averaged out
to almost $7 a night. Before you get excited about the cost, consider
this. Although there is an up side, there is a down side, depending on your
personal preferences.
2e - Living within the membership campground system may be precisely what
you'd like. During our yearly travels, we learn more about which campgrounds
are the most desirable ones. Each year, we make it a point to stay at them
when we are in their part of the country. Some are truly exquisite places
for staying a week and the staff are delightful. The majority of membership
system campgrounds we've visited are usually in this category.
2f - By contrast, living within any of the membership systems may not always
be what you'd like. Occasionally, we have been assigned campsites that
flooded when it rained, that were next to the railroad tracks or fence
beside the Interstate or stinky dumpster, or were the smallest site in the
campground, or had monster motor homes so close we couldn't put out our
awning, or were way off the beaten path (10 miles of dirt road).
2g - Then, there is a range of differences in when reservations can be made
(7 days, 14 days, 30 days, 60 days, 6 months, etc.). We learned that using a
a reservation system meant being highly organized at scheduling our calls
(usually a toll call which must be figured into the per night cost).
If we want to be at a specific campground in December and they only accept
reservations up to six months in advance, we have to make that call in June.
To wait beyond the exact first day that reservations are accepted may mean
there are no sites available when we want them. That has happened to us.
In contrast, if we want to be at a specific campground and they only accept
reservations up to 7 days in advance, we have to keep that week open during
our scheduling efforts and remember to make the call on the exact date. This
process sounds simple and it is for anyone who is at ease with desk work.
Yet in a way, the sequencing of reservation calls to parks with varying lead
times for taking reservations is an art form.
The campgrounds with "drive up only" campsites are also in the mix for
sequencing. During off season, we treat everything as drive up and have
never been turned away. That's not the case during peak season when some
campgrounds arbitrarily limit our stay to less than a week (3 days). When
that occurs, we shift into our tried and true mode of using OTHER TYPES of
campgrounds.
All in all, we enjoy using the membership systems. There are additional
details other than those I've outlined. We approach our decisions about
where to stay with several layers of options in mind should our first choice
not work out. Like most new skills, it took us a month to learn the ropes.
Although they may may sound difficult, they aren't. The biggest advantage to
using a membership system is the $6 per night in a safe campground with most
of the amenities an average traveler needs.
Shifting to a new topic and the real reason for my reply.
3 - For the last 12 years, we've used hundreds of OTHER TYPES of campgrounds
NOT in any of the membership systems and NOT listed in the thick directories
and NOT heavily advertised. Finding them can be like going on a scavenger
hunt or playing an engrossing game. We play the game and join the hunt
enthusiastically - even passionately. Each of us have our oddities.
3a - What does it really cost to use these campgrounds? For three years, we
kept track of our costs. They came out to an average overnight cost of about
$7 per night and similar to our campground membership system costs.
3b - For those interested in locating these campgrounds, here is a
partial list. It's somewhat like following a trail that brings great joy and
pleasure with each new found treasure (for that is what each one is).
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
National Park Service
National Forests State
Forests State Parks
State Environmental Conservation Parks
County Parks
Municipal Parks
City Parks
Town Parks
Village Parks
Ghost Towns
County Fairgrounds
State Fairgrounds
Elkdom Campsites
Museums with overnight parking
Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
BLM primitive areas/ no services
BLM improved areas/ dump station
Church campgrounds
Power and Light Company campgrounds
Natural Gas Company campgrounds
Lumber Company campgrounds
Tennessee Valley Authority campgrounds
Mississippi River Authority campgrounds
Homes of Family and Friends
Hospitals with RV sites
Interstates with ON parking in security patrolled areas
Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel Parking on the island
Businesses with over night parking, i.e.
Wal-Mart / K-Mart / Shopping Malls
Mom & Pop Restaurants
Cracker Barrel Restaurants
Truck Stops
RV dealerships and service stations
Rallies of all types
Single Brand RV Parks
Airstream Parks - 34
Escapees Parks - 20+
Day's End Listings in SKP magazine - These are little known campsites and
boondock areas found by SKPs who vouch for authenticity with their name and
the date they used it.
The above listing represents an estimated 25,000 places to park an RV, yet
they are a fraction of what is available. At each of these locations, the
cost per night depends on the facilities and services offered. Most are cost
free or less than $10 per night and all can be enjoyed by any RVer with a
basic knowledge of boondocking and two or more solar panels on their RV.
3c - It is possible to develop a YEAR ROUND schedule of RV parking places
that DON'T COST ANYTHING. We know because we've done it. BUT - IT REQUIRES
great attention to detail, judicious planning, organizing and considerable
thought before action. Some people love this type of mental gymnastics
while others resist or even detest it.
3d - When we first started full timing, the goal was to keep our average
overnight campground costs within the $4-5 range. Collecting that data
required extreme alertness. It became an enjoyable game for us.
3e - Each of us is different in what we need or want for RV parking. The one
certainty is there are abundant campsites for anyone who wants to spend $15
or more per night. That information is found in any of the fat directories
and choosing each night's campsite requires little or no thought or
planning. Those with money to burn will find many places to burn it.
4 - Finally, one question you didn't ask is, "What is the minimum annual
income needed to live comfortably as a full time RVer?" This means every
single penny spent for every single expense incurred on every single day of
the year. At first we thought the annual cost would be in the $20,000+ plus
range, but ....
With each successive year as full timers, the amount decreased as our
knowledge and familiarity with the North American continent increased. As of
January 2002, I'm confident it's possible to live a well traveled and
luxurious RV Full Timer's lifestyle with an annual income of $12,000. It
may be easier for some to do that than for others, but our experience shows
it is very doable for most folks.
So - there you have it. These ideas are offered as starters in your search
for adventuresome Airstream parking locations. I realize the range and
scope of ideas are more than you asked for, but perhaps some of them will
prove useful to you. Use the delete key to discard those that don't
interest you.
Terry
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The shoe that fits one person pinches another; there is no recipe for
living that suits all cases." Carl Jung
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Message Number: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:12:32 -0500
From: William Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uni Volt
> Thomas LaVergne wrote:
>
> When I am plugged into to shore power does the uni volt re-charge my
> battery?
It should.
bill
25 ft 76 Trade Wind in WV
> Also, I have the blue Service Manual for my '78 Ambassador, was there
> any other manual that would have come with this trailer or would that
> have been it? Thanks.
> Thomas
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:44:55 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I Need
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Message Number: 21
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:45:16 EST
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Message Number: 22
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:46:01 -0600
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hi There, Im new!
Welcome! no one is too young to be an Airstream enthusist. I have wanted one
since I was 10 and the youngest enthusist in my family is 4.you are old by
those standards!. our family of 4 lives in San Marcos TX as full timer's
while we build our house. If I was young and single I would never pay rent
or mortgage it is so comfortable. but with four people, 2 cats, 5 kittens 3
dogs and 2 chickens it gets a little crowded! enjoy!
Gina
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>wonderful time learning as much about it as possible. I plan on restoring
>it
>the best I can and am looking forward to meeting other people with the same
>interests as this new one I have found. As far as the trailer goes I
>inherited it from my great aunt and uncle, who traveled many places in it
>including from Texas to Alaska! I think the trailer is a 66 Safari
>California model Airstream. As far as I can tell trying to match other
>trailers that look like it. I am planning on taking pictures of the
>restoration process as I go along but I would be glad to send current
>photographs of it now to anyone interested. I know I am on the young side
>to
>be playing around with travel trailers but man this is fun! I am open to
>all
>suggestions concerning the restoration process, tips and tricks, and
>especially about plumbing and electrical. Thanks again and I am looking
>forward to hearing from all of you!
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Message Number: 23
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:47:10 EST
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Greetings,
We want to put bamboo flooring in our '72 Safari. We would like to talk to
someone that has done it and possibly learn from their experiences.
Thanks,
John and Kay Semon
San Luis Obispo, Ca.
805-542-9017
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We want to put bamboo flooring in our '72 Safari. We would like to talk to
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Message Number: 24
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:52:46 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: alterations
Stuart,
If your trailer is basically sound and everything works, in my opinion the
trailer is worth more now in it's original state than it ever will be once
you have altered it. Especially because it is old enough that one may
consider it as being rare. May I suggest that if you really want to alter
something, either find one that someone else has already gutted (and never
finished the rebuild), or find something newer and more common, say
something from the late 60's early 70's. This said, it is your trailer. You
are free to do with it as you wish. It is just that original condition older
Airstreams are becoming very difficult to find.
Scott
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From: "Stuart Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re:
> Recently acquired a '56 Caravanner and was surprised to find no shower
inside!
SNIP
I realize there is value in originality, but am wondering if it
> is possible/practicle to make the mods I'm considering in a manner which
would ultimately
> support the value of this unit. Any sage advise????
>
> Stuart
>
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Message Number: 25
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:04:21 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boondocking and cheap camping
Terry,
You are known for your analysis and organization. I am more of an
improviser . . . flying by the seat of my pants. I can't imagine planning
where I would be on a trip six months in the future:) That is why I am
working on links to free or very reasonable camp sites. I thought posting a
call for links to such camp sites would be beneficial for the vagabondos on
the list:)
I have looked into the networked camp grounds but I never thought of a
recycled membership. Do the camps honor them? If so, does anybody on the
list have a membership that they would like to sell cheap?
Send info direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry,
I will use your list of potential camp sites to further source my links. I
agree with you that a person or a well coordinated couple could boondock for
$12K per year. I have been cheating though. I spend three months a year in
Mexico camping for "NADA" :)
Thanks for the info
Bob
Terry wrote:
a SMALL sample of what's out there, much of it for free or
> for a few dollars. They can be found throughout the continent in all three
> major countries. All it takes is attention to detail, organization and
> planning, plus plenty of thought before action. If you are restoring an
> Airstream, you already have those qualities.
>
> Two days ago, we were at an Elks Lodge Campground in Florida where a
member
> was paying $3 a night for water, electric, dump station and home cooked
> meals (fee) three nights a week. Bob, we aren't even trying to find these
> places. But, we are attentive to what's around us, we read every brochure,
> every booklet and we track down every hint of a possibility.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Terry
>
> --------
>
> Hi ...,
>
> The points raised by H... are important features. My take on having a
> permanent spot is that those who rent a lot on a yearly basis are more
> likely to stay on that lot and become "settlers" in their Airstream than
> those who become "explorers" of the North American continent.
>
> When it comes to costs, there are other considerations. For example:
>
> 2 - As H... said, those of us who use the Coast to Coast (CC) campground
> membership system pay $6 per night at CC campgrounds. But, to become a
> member requires buying a membership in one of the private campgrounds
within
> the system. That cost can vary widely depending on the private campground.
> In addition to CC, there are other campground membership systems
available,
> each with their own unique characteristics (AOR, RPI, CCA, PA, etc.,
etc.).
>
> 2a - We know of RVers who paid $3,000 to join a CC park and a few who were
> given a membership by RVer friends who no longer traveled. Frequently,
there
> are free memberships listed on campground bulletin boards and in Good Sam
> magazines with the stipulation the buyer must take responsibility for the
> annual dues and pay the legal transfer fee ($75). More often (every
month),
> we see "resale" memberships advertised in camping magazines at $500.
>
> The advantage of buying a resale from a particular park is it becomes the
> "home park" which means visits are not restricted to one week. Instead,
the
> park can be used more often. The exact rules vary but most allow nearly
> unrestricted visits. Members who volunteer to help out in the home park
get
> even better options. If location is important, then search carefully.
>
> 2b - Secondly, when it comes to annual dues at the private campground, the
> price ranges widely (less than $100 up to $1,000). Another wrinkle is some
> dues are frozen for life while others are not. Mostly, we see dues between
> $100 to $200 advertised as frozen for life. There are probably other
> amounts, but they aren't heavily advertised.
>
> 2c - As a result of these costs and others (like being required to pay $1
a
> day for cable whether wanted or not - or $0.50 per day for a site with a
> concrete pad), the actual cost per night is always more than the $6 paid
> each night, especially after figuring amortization in at five years.
>
> 2d - Several years ago, I kept track of every single penny spent within
our
> membership systems. After 1272 nights, our per night cost averaged out
> to almost $7 a night. Before you get excited about the cost, consider
> this. Although there is an up side, there is a down side, depending on
your
> personal preferences.
>
> 2e - Living within the membership campground system may be precisely what
> you'd like. During our yearly travels, we learn more about which
campgrounds
> are the most desirable ones. Each year, we make it a point to stay at them
> when we are in their part of the country. Some are truly exquisite places
> for staying a week and the staff are delightful. The majority of
membership
> system campgrounds we've visited are usually in this category.
>
> 2f - By contrast, living within any of the membership systems may not
always
> be what you'd like. Occasionally, we have been assigned campsites that
> flooded when it rained, that were next to the railroad tracks or fence
> beside the Interstate or stinky dumpster, or were the smallest site in the
> campground, or had monster motor homes so close we couldn't put out our
> awning, or were way off the beaten path (10 miles of dirt road).
>
> 2g - Then, there is a range of differences in when reservations can be
made
> (7 days, 14 days, 30 days, 60 days, 6 months, etc.). We learned that using
a
> a reservation system meant being highly organized at scheduling our calls
> (usually a toll call which must be figured into the per night cost).
>
> If we want to be at a specific campground in December and they only accept
> reservations up to six months in advance, we have to make that call in
June.
> To wait beyond the exact first day that reservations are accepted may mean
> there are no sites available when we want them. That has happened to us.
>
> In contrast, if we want to be at a specific campground and they only
accept
> reservations up to 7 days in advance, we have to keep that week open
during
> our scheduling efforts and remember to make the call on the exact date.
This
> process sounds simple and it is for anyone who is at ease with desk work.
> Yet in a way, the sequencing of reservation calls to parks with varying
lead
> times for taking reservations is an art form.
>
> The campgrounds with "drive up only" campsites are also in the mix for
> sequencing. During off season, we treat everything as drive up and have
> never been turned away. That's not the case during peak season when some
> campgrounds arbitrarily limit our stay to less than a week (3 days). When
> that occurs, we shift into our tried and true mode of using OTHER TYPES of
> campgrounds.
>
> All in all, we enjoy using the membership systems. There are additional
> details other than those I've outlined. We approach our decisions about
> where to stay with several layers of options in mind should our first
choice
> not work out. Like most new skills, it took us a month to learn the ropes.
> Although they may may sound difficult, they aren't. The biggest advantage
to
> using a membership system is the $6 per night in a safe campground with
most
> of the amenities an average traveler needs.
>
> Shifting to a new topic and the real reason for my reply.
>
> 3 - For the last 12 years, we've used hundreds of OTHER TYPES of
campgrounds
> NOT in any of the membership systems and NOT listed in the thick
directories
> and NOT heavily advertised. Finding them can be like going on a scavenger
> hunt or playing an engrossing game. We play the game and join the hunt
> enthusiastically - even passionately. Each of us have our oddities.
>
> 3a - What does it really cost to use these campgrounds? For three years,
we
> kept track of our costs. They came out to an average overnight cost of
about
> $7 per night and similar to our campground membership system costs.
>
> 3b - For those interested in locating these campgrounds, here is a
> partial list. It's somewhat like following a trail that brings great joy
and
> pleasure with each new found treasure (for that is what each one is).
>
> U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
> National Park Service
> National Forests State
> Forests State Parks
> State Environmental Conservation Parks
>
> County Parks
> Municipal Parks
> City Parks
> Town Parks
> Village Parks
> Ghost Towns
>
> County Fairgrounds
> State Fairgrounds
> Elkdom Campsites
> Museums with overnight parking
> Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
> BLM primitive areas/ no services
> BLM improved areas/ dump station
>
> Church campgrounds
> Power and Light Company campgrounds
> Natural Gas Company campgrounds
> Lumber Company campgrounds
> Tennessee Valley Authority campgrounds
> Mississippi River Authority campgrounds
>
> Homes of Family and Friends
> Hospitals with RV sites
> Interstates with ON parking in security patrolled areas
> Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel Parking on the island
> Businesses with over night parking, i.e.
> Wal-Mart / K-Mart / Shopping Malls
> Mom & Pop Restaurants
> Cracker Barrel Restaurants
> Truck Stops
> RV dealerships and service stations
>
> Rallies of all types
> Single Brand RV Parks
> Airstream Parks - 34
> Escapees Parks - 20+
>
> Day's End Listings in SKP magazine - These are little known campsites and
> boondock areas found by SKPs who vouch for authenticity with their name
and
> the date they used it.
>
> The above listing represents an estimated 25,000 places to park an RV,
yet
> they are a fraction of what is available. At each of these locations, the
> cost per night depends on the facilities and services offered. Most are
cost
> free or less than $10 per night and all can be enjoyed by any RVer with a
> basic knowledge of boondocking and two or more solar panels on their RV.
>
> 3c - It is possible to develop a YEAR ROUND schedule of RV parking places
> that DON'T COST ANYTHING. We know because we've done it. BUT - IT REQUIRES
> great attention to detail, judicious planning, organizing and considerable
> thought before action. Some people love this type of mental gymnastics
> while others resist or even detest it.
>
> 3d - When we first started full timing, the goal was to keep our average
> overnight campground costs within the $4-5 range. Collecting that data
> required extreme alertness. It became an enjoyable game for us.
>
> 3e - Each of us is different in what we need or want for RV parking. The
one
> certainty is there are abundant campsites for anyone who wants to spend
$15
> or more per night. That information is found in any of the fat directories
> and choosing each night's campsite requires little or no thought or
> planning. Those with money to burn will find many places to burn it.
>
> 4 - Finally, one question you didn't ask is, "What is the minimum annual
> income needed to live comfortably as a full time RVer?" This means every
> single penny spent for every single expense incurred on every single day
of
> the year. At first we thought the annual cost would be in the $20,000+
plus
> range, but ....
>
> With each successive year as full timers, the amount decreased as our
> knowledge and familiarity with the North American continent increased. As
of
> January 2002, I'm confident it's possible to live a well traveled and
> luxurious RV Full Timer's lifestyle with an annual income of $12,000. It
> may be easier for some to do that than for others, but our experience
shows
> it is very doable for most folks.
>
> So - there you have it. These ideas are offered as starters in your search
> for adventuresome Airstream parking locations. I realize the range and
> scope of ideas are more than you asked for, but perhaps some of them will
> prove useful to you. Use the delete key to discard those that don't
> interest you.
>
> Terry
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "The shoe that fits one person pinches another; there is no recipe for
> living that suits all cases." Carl Jung
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 26
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:20:49 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Boondocking and cheap camping
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Message Number: 27
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:31:28 -0600
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: alterations
Stuart,
What are the chances of resale without a shower? will you use it without a
shower. I guess you could get a Solar Water bottle for an out door shower.
Just some thoughts of my own.
Gina
>From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Stuart,
>
>If your trailer is basically sound and everything works, in my opinion the
>trailer is worth more now in it's original state than it ever will be once
>you have altered it. Especially because it is old enough that one may
>consider it as being rare. May I suggest that if you really want to alter
>something, either find one that someone else has already gutted (and never
>finished the rebuild), or find something newer and more common, say
>something from the late 60's early 70's. This said, it is your trailer. You
>are free to do with it as you wish. It is just that original condition
>older
>Airstreams are becoming very difficult to find.
>
>Scott
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:53 PM
>Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
>
> > Recently acquired a '56 Caravanner and was surprised to find no shower
>inside!
>
>SNIP
>
>I realize there is value in originality, but am wondering if it
> > is possible/practicle to make the mods I'm considering in a manner which
>would ultimately
> > support the value of this unit. Any sage advise????
> >
> > Stuart
> >
>
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Message Number: 28
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:17:44 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cleaning out H20 heater
Last night I took my "shower" with the hand held flex hose in my 66 Safari
in my hand. The hot water pressure was so low that I had to wave it no more
than a couple of inches from my epidermis (did I spell it right?:)
It is the consensus from this list' and an RV repairman (who was working in
the park here) that the problem I was having with low hot water pressure is
calcium and other mineral deposits caused by very hard water in this area.
The RV repair guy felt the deposits were in the heater tank itself and the
fitting attaching the tank to the water system. I suspect these deposits go
further into the lines . . . at least as far as the H20 drain.
Here's where I am right NOW!
- I shut of the water heater
- monitored output of H20 drain until all hot water was gone
- no trace of anything but clear water - now cold
- continuing to flush cold water from the main through the tank
- closed dump valve and opened bathroom sink and let flushing continue
Pressure is still low. I can see the hot water output fitting from the
rear. I am inclined to wrench it open and off. Then what ???
Snake the fitting into the tank?
Snake the line? If so where do I get a snake for
Any chemical possibilites?
Since the H20 heater output is at the top of the tank, how would I drain it?
As I send this email the tank has been flushing for 2 hours but the pressure
has not increased.
Thanks for any help
Bob
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Message Number: 29
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:30:22 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Alterations
My answer may surprise many.
In my capacity, I get to see a very large number of restorations and
customizations. Many of you know my feelings about trying to make a
vintage Airstream into something it isn't - it usually results in
something that only it's owner could love....
Here's the surprising part, if done correctly, I feel modifications can
be done that will improve the functionality and value at the same time.
In my archive photo section there are 7 Caravanners, and each had a
different interior layout. Due to the degree of customization
available back then, there is no fixed "standard" interior. In
researching the Flying Clouds from 1955 to 1962, I found 5 very
distinct original layouts, with 100's of more subtle differences.
What do I recommend? Any changes you make, do it in the style of the
trailer and era, using the same materials and methods of construction,
re-using as many of the original fixtures and fittings as possible.
For example, the bathroom on the Caravanner is usually in the aft
curbside cabinetry. Shower options in that era were usually raised
galvanized floor pans supported by the black water tank. The toilet
sat in the shower pan to one side, and the walls were either painted
Masonite walls or thin stainless steel sheet. I've even seen aluminum
(badly corroded, though).
When you rebuild the bathroom, you will know you've succeeded if it
looks like it was there from the beginning. This is not the place for
Corian, fancy wallpaper or new parts from Home Depot. Save all that for
trailers that are already gutted. You want to see metal fittings,
chrome & porcelain fixtures and varnished birch plywood in thicknesses
and cut like the adjoining cabinets. Think it can't be done? Guys are
doing it every day.
Do your research of want you want to accomplish, look at other trailers
with the features you want, gather your materials, develop a plan, and
go for it. My one big caution. Do not proceed until you are confidant
that you will be able to successfully finish. Once you start removing,
you are removing from the pool another trailer that a future Airstream
lover could restore....
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
>
> Recently acquired a '56 Caravanner and was surprised to find
> no shower inside!
> hahahahaha...I've been discussing possibly making the front
> bed into a double, the rear
> bed into a single and enlarging the bath to include a shower.
> This airstream is in great
> shape. Exterior just needs polishing and minor window repair.
> Interior is all original
> except carpet and drapes. I realize there is value in
> originality, but am wondering if it
> is possible/practicle to make the mods I'm considering in a
> manner which would ultimately
> support the value of this unit. Any sage advise????
>
> Stuart
>
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Message Number: 30
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:34:14 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: alterations
I agree with all who believe that the trailer is worth more in stock
condition. It is so easy to fabricate a shower with curtain for outside the
trailer. Get a heavy duty camping shower and whatever kind of curtain you
want on a circular shower rod. (Sears for rod). Get the rubberized metal
welcome mat that can be rolled up for the floor.
Most important start drinking wine in the 5 liter plastic bags. I refilled
these bags with water and put them in the sun (in Mexico) to get nearly 100
degrees. I could take many showers by simply dumping another of the 5 liter
bags into the solar shower. One caveat is that shower time should be late
afternoon until just after dark or the water cools down rapidly.
Aloha,
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: alterations
> Stuart,
> What are the chances of resale without a shower? will you use it without a
> shower. I guess you could get a Solar Water bottle for an out door shower.
> Just some thoughts of my own.
> Gina
>
>
> >From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [VAC] alterations
> >Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:52:46 -0500
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> >Stuart,
> >
> >If your trailer is basically sound and everything works, in my opinion
the
> >trailer is worth more now in it's original state than it ever will be
once
> >you have altered it. Especially because it is old enough that one may
> >consider it as being rare. May I suggest that if you really want to alter
> >something, either find one that someone else has already gutted (and
never
> >finished the rebuild), or find something newer and more common, say
> >something from the late 60's early 70's. This said, it is your trailer.
You
> >are free to do with it as you wish. It is just that original condition
> >older
> >Airstreams are becoming very difficult to find.
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stuart Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:53 PM
> >Subject: [VAC] Re:
> >
> >
> > > Recently acquired a '56 Caravanner and was surprised to find no shower
> >inside!
> >
> >SNIP
> >
> >I realize there is value in originality, but am wondering if it
> > > is possible/practicle to make the mods I'm considering in a manner
which
> >would ultimately
> > > support the value of this unit. Any sage advise????
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 31
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:35:58 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Portable AC
It may have been this '54 Safari:
http://vintageairstream.com/archives1/55Safari/55Safari.html
(ignore the page layout problem - looks like I just found another to
fix)
We took off our A/C for the reasons you noted:
http://vintageairstream.com/myrtle_rest.html
RJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Portable AC
> I have seen pictures of a small A/C unit mounted internally,
> i.e., not on the top
> of the coach. It sat on the floor, under a dinette seat or
> something similar. It
> was a very nice installation. IMHO, the clean Airstream look
> is not enhanced by
> the addition of an A/C on the top, and this is particularly
> true of the smaller
> coaches. I wish I could tell you where I saw it, but those
> brain cells seem to
> have gone away...
> Best regards,
> Rik
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Message Number: 32
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:36:41 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cleaning out H20 heater
Bob, the original Bowen water heater in my ' 68 Tradewind was completely
plugged up with mineral deposits when I got it. In testing the water lines
for broken pipes and leaks I got cold water through the lines (and no
leaks). However, when I opened the hot water lines I got no water at all.
The old Bowen looked pretty gross under the exterior door so I pulled it out
(another story) after disconnecting the inlet and outlet flared fittings
inside. Once I got the tank out I could see that the brass elbow fittings in
the tank were completely blocked with mineral deposits. I didn't even try to
clean out the deposits but ordered a new water heater instead. All the
deposits were in the tank and none were in the water lines. With the new
tank I get plenty of hot water and plenty of pressure -- equal pressure on
the hot and cold lines.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:17
Subject: [VAC] Re: Cleaning out H20 heater
> Last night I took my "shower" with the hand held flex hose in my 66 Safari
> in my hand. The hot water pressure was so low that I had to wave it no
more
> than a couple of inches from my epidermis (did I spell it right?:)
>
> It is the consensus from this list' and an RV repairman (who was working
in
> the park here) that the problem I was having with low hot water pressure
is
> calcium and other mineral deposits caused by very hard water in this area.
> The RV repair guy felt the deposits were in the heater tank itself and the
> fitting attaching the tank to the water system. I suspect these deposits
go
> further into the lines . . . at least as far as the H20 drain.
>
> Here's where I am right NOW!
> - I shut of the water heater
> - monitored output of H20 drain until all hot water was gone
> - no trace of anything but clear water - now cold
> - continuing to flush cold water from the main through the tank
> - closed dump valve and opened bathroom sink and let flushing continue
>
> Pressure is still low. I can see the hot water output fitting from the
> rear. I am inclined to wrench it open and off. Then what ???
>
> Snake the fitting into the tank?
> Snake the line? If so where do I get a snake for
> Any chemical possibilites?
>
> Since the H20 heater output is at the top of the tank, how would I drain
it?
> As I send this email the tank has been flushing for 2 hours but the
pressure
> has not increased.
>
> Thanks for any help
> Bob
>
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Message Number: 33
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:19:10 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fabric Swatches
They occasionally surface (ebay, swap meets, this list) from old
Airstream Dealerships. They contain Zolatone, wall covering fabrics &
wood finishes available. One member of this list, (I won't name names
so as to hide his secret identity), is collecting such items in order
to write a book on Airstream decor through the years. I found this out
after getting into an ebay bidding contest with him. Lets all silently
give Tom a big "hurry up!
Oops, I gave you his first name....
RJ
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [VAC] Fabric Swatches
Ah, the time has come to replace the fabric (and foam) for the cushions
in my '63 globetrotter. I have the sofa and a dinette.
Does anyone have a book of fabric samples from this time period?
Thank you -
john
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