2018-03-18 15:48 GMT+01:00 Bram Moolenaar <[email protected]>: > > Justin M. Keyes wrote: > > I'm glad to give credits to developers who send me a patch that I can > include and make Vim users happy. No matter where that code came from. > Why give credit to NeoVim as a project, instead of its individual > contributors? That would mean NeoVim helps Vim moving forward. > As a sort of breeding ground for new Vim features, which you have hinted > at before. Unfortunately, I see the opposite. Many thing that happened > in NeoVim make it more difficult to take changes back to Vim. The code > is refactored in a way that no bigger patch can be taken over. Tests > are written in a way that won't work in Vim. And the mission statement > "seeks to aggressively refactor Vim" is clearly saying this is all > intentional. > > I fully admit I have been slow to include certain changes, for various > reasons. And it's no surprise if the authors make their changes > available in other ways, such as a fork with those changes applied. > If they are serious in wanting these changes being included in Vim, they > would make that easy to do. Christian has been very good in this, > for example. And if there is a project that takes these changes to > build a "better Vim", with the intention to merge at least some of this > back, then that would generally be a good thing. But that's not what > NeoVim is doing. I see a project that intends to replace Vim. And that > may also have positive effects, but as a project I can't give NeoVim > credit for what happens in Vim. Just like I don't give Emacs credit for > ideas about what you can do with a text editor. > > Again, I'm talking about NeoVim as a project, not a collection of good > willing contributors. And it looks like this project currently has no > goal to help make Vim better. There are only side effects. If NeoVim > wants to help Vim, then I'm open for ideas. Making it easy to have a > patch work for both Vim and NeoVim would be a good start.
Unlike other text editors, Neovim embraces Vim. That was the entire point. Not to start a new, greenfield project--like every other text editor--but to continue the valuable work of Vim. Neovim's success, if any, doesn't "replace" Vim, except in a superficial sense. Anyways I should have made clear, I'm speaking as a Vim user, my opinions in this thread don't represent anyone else nor the Neovim project. As a Vim user I'm still wondering what channels (online or in-real-life) you monitor to measure user demand. Thanks. --- Justin M. Keyes -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
