On 15/08/10 01:51, Britton Kerin wrote:
2010/8/7 Tony Mechelynck<[email protected]>:
On 04/08/10 10:42, H Xu wrote:
On 2010/8/4 14:00, Ricky J. Wu wrote:
On 8月4日, 下午1时56分, "Ricky J. Wu"<[email protected]> wrote:
Many people quit using vim because they think vim is not as powerful
as emacs.
Learn vim need patients and times, and also the plugin dose.
The more configurable the system is, the more powerful feature you
get.
You might need learn and configure plugin by yourself and find whether
is it fit.
There is a possibility, an integrated and configured plugin package
can let one use vim easier, but just for lazy people.
Hello,
Of course it's for lazy people. Lazy people don't want to spend time
on this.
Regards,
Hong Xu
2010/8/4
Well, with or without an extra bloatful package of plugins (80% of which
I'll never use), lazy people will never have the full power of Vim at their
fingertips, because the learning curve is not steep but long. If you want to
use Vim well, you *have* to spend time on it, even if just a little at a
time.
But in total, you can easily spend six months hacking it. In the end you
get something far better than vanilla vim or emacs. It works much closer
to the speed of thought, and comes closer to getting the computer from
fancy filing cabinet to cognitive amplifier.
Its just frustrating as hell to know that you've just reinvented a whole pile
of things. The plug-ins simply don't solve this problem: each focuses on
some single small issue, and you have to tweak them around the edges
and create piles of keymaps, commands, and glue functions to get a
semi-coherent whole.
What I would like to see is something like extended mod packs created
by individual
users. In this scheme, expert users would somehow publish their entire
piles of plugins and glue, together with some explanation of the logic
of the whole.
New users could bootstrap off these (greatly enhanced) vim versions instead
of having to start from scratch.
At my last job back when I was an emacs user no one could be convinced to try
it until they saw how much all my debugger hacks improved life. Once they
tried it they became devoted converts.
Its a huge shame that most of the power of vim that comes with the
final tweaks is
not effectively shared between old and new users.
Britton
Well, not everybody has the same wants and needs. There are already
quite a lot of plugins that come with Vim. Why should I download an
additional enormous package (a single tarball with the whole lot of
vim.org scripts maybe?) of which I'll use only a percent or two? (and
the next guy will use a _different_ percent or two of it, etc.)
IMHO it's better to have a collection of optional scripts, among which
everyone may pick and choose.
My vimrc and a few other scripts that I wrote are at vim.wikia.com, not
too hard to find now that I've told you. With the usual disclaimer
though: they come with no warranty, they are probably buggy in
unspecified ways, they may not suit your needs, and they are probably
totally unsuited for "merchantability", whatever that may mean. Pick and
choose at your own risk, and don't come weep in my jacket if they crash
your hard disk, beat your dog, put your house on fire, elope with your
spouse, or all of these at once. :-P
Best regards,
Tony.
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