It's just too bad people don't ask if there is such a toggle before jumping to conclusions on how bad Apple is getting.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf > Of Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > Thank God! NO ToolBar mentions. What a relief! It’s so nice to be getting back > the voiceOver we’ve known throughout our iPHone lives! > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > > El 20 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:39 p.m., Cristóbal Muñoz <[email protected]> > escribió: > > > > Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf > Of > > Shirley Baker > > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > > > I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was for. So > > glad > we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more than > me. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like > >>> the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > >>> > >>> Kim > >>> > >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug > >>>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, > >>>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. > >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very > >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give > >>>> us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, > >>>> VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO > >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that > >>>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift > >>>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints > are turned on. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cristóbal > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On > Behalf > >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? > >>>> > >>>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be > >>>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the > apps there. > >>>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my > >>>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such > >>>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow > >>>> them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what > >>>> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't > need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" > >>>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and > >>>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility > >>>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially > >>>> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On > Behalf > >>>> Of Mary Otten > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? > >>>> > >>>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean > >>>> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so > >>>> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us > >>>> turn all this junk off. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock > >>>>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > >>>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or > >>>>> Dock, as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of > >>>>> the > screen. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Richard > >>>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he > >>>>> must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the > >>>>> cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while > >>>>> I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once > >>>>> regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On > >>>>> Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Toolbar? > >>>>> > >>>>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, > >>>>> near the dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, > >>>>> and others, is it an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting > >>>>> that > should be there? > >>>>> Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. > >>>>> > >>>>> Gera > >>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V > >>>>> iPhone list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the > >>>>> list > itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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