Good point about the threads not being numbered or named. That may cause me to turn the extra verbiage back on. I think I will also suggest to Apple that they consider breaking those container descriptions out into types to give more detailed control, some might want the Dock to speak but not the Toolbar. Or want threading to be named and numbered but not have the dock or toolbar, etc.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? Yes, it seems that with container announcements off you can't tell who the sender of an email is in the threaded mail view. You also can't tell which email you are reading in a thread -- three of six or whatever. Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.—Martin Luther King Jr. On Sep 21, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louv...@gmail.com<mailto:louv...@gmail.com>> wrote: Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? On 9/21/20, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra verbiage. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng <alvin....@gmail.com<mailto:alvin....@gmail.com>> wrote: But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who the sender is. On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones <jmjones...@gmail.com<mailto:jmjones...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. Kim On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Toolbar? I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such extra announcements. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Toolbar? It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk off. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Toolbar? I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? 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